Does anyone hate progress as much as I do sometimes?

[wizbang]

Sometimes I really hate progress, especially when the new version performs worse than the previous version. (Think ANYTHING, any products Bill Gates has produced and unleashed on the public.)

Microsoft is KING at this. They add "glitz & glitter", they make it pretty, at the expense of more bloat, slower running, more frustration for users.

My client's ISP recently switched to Cpanel 11. Truthfully I hate it. It is slower and it hinders my progress.

I edit PHP files. The old Cpanel was quick, lightning fast at navigation and selecting files. And any of the files that I selected for editing (using Firefox's text editor plug in) I could edit in my normal editor Scite-EZ or I could copy and paste into the supplied editor.

With version 11, I can't do either. I can't click a button to have the file appear in Scite-EZ any more and to my dismay I can't copy and paste a file. Why? Two reasons 1) the editor expanded everything to these giant TABS that look like 8 spaces (instead of the 4 that I like) while trying to edit on line and then it undid ALL of the formatting when I copied from the online version into a local version on my machine. (the attached picture illustrates this.)

Don't get me wrong … I LOVE progress when it has a positive impact. If there were settings to go back to a previous version (not just cosmetic) then I would have not cared. The fact that I had to spend precious time and going through all of the work to illustrate my frustration is yet another reason why I sometimes hate progress!

I also, being a Software Engineer, understand how much effort is involved in creating apps, but, when you sacrifice simplistic functionality that works and works well for glitz, glitter, bloat, and non user friendly aspects [the act of simply trying to edit a file] then I can't say that the progress is very good.

Some people I am sure are saying that this newest version of Cpanel is the greatest thing since sliced cheese. I am sorry to say I can't say that. In this instance I have to say that "Progress" took a GIANT step backward.

I am attaching a picture of screen shots that illustrate how much the formatting changed from the original version to steroid TAB (both editors) and back to no Tabs.

So the big question is that since the ISP did this it has cost me time and effort. Is there any way I can I go back to an earlier functional version (not just cosmetic) that worked like the previous version of Cpanel?

Thanks for your time!

have a good one,

w

[cpanelnick]

Sometimes I really hate progress, especially when the new version performs worse than the previous version. (Think ANYTHING, any products Bill Gates has produced and unleashed on the public.)

Microsoft is KING at this. They add "glitz & glitter", they make it pretty, at the expense of more bloat, slower running, more frustration for users.

My client's ISP recently switched to Cpanel 11. Truthfully I hate it. It is slower and it hinders my progress.

The interface shouldn't be slower, in fact it should be a lot snappier. You may want to have your host open a ticket with us @ https://tickets.cpanel.net/submit/ if the server appears to lag or is unresponsive when you click around.

I edit PHP files. The old Cpanel was quick, lightning fast at navigation and selecting files. And any of the files that I selected for editing (using Firefox's text editor plug in) I could edit in my normal editor Scite-EZ or I could copy and paste into the supplied editor.

With version 11, I can't do either. I can't click a button to have the file appear in Scite-EZ any more and to my dismay I can't copy and paste a file. Why? Two reasons 1) the editor expanded everything to these giant TABS that look like 8 spaces (instead of the 4 that I like) while trying to edit on line and then it undid ALL of the formatting when I copied from the online version into a local version on my machine. (the attached picture illustrates this.)

Why not just use the text editor instead of the code editor in the file manager. If its the filemanager you don't like, then you can always use the legacy one.

Don't get me wrong … I LOVE progress when it has a positive impact. If there were settings to go back to a previous version (not just cosmetic) then I would have not cared. The fact that I had to spend precious time and going through all of the work to illustrate my frustration is yet another reason why I sometimes hate progress!

I also, being a Software Engineer, understand how much effort is involved in creating apps, but, when you sacrifice simplistic functionality that works and works well for glitz, glitter, bloat, and non user friendly aspects [the act of simply trying to edit a file] then I can't say that the progress is very good.

Some people I am sure are saying that this newest version of Cpanel is the greatest thing since sliced cheese. I am sorry to say I can't say that. In this instance I have to say that "Progress" took a GIANT step backward.

I am attaching a picture of screen shots that illustrate how much the formatting changed from the original version to steroid TAB (both editors) and back to no Tabs.

So the big question is that since the ISP did this it has cost me time and effort. Is there any way I can I go back to an earlier functional version (not just cosmetic) that worked like the previous version of Cpanel?

Thanks for your time!

have a good one,

w

[wizbang]

Thanks for the reply.

Why not just use the text editor instead of the code editor in the file manager. .

In the attached picture (in the original post) there are four viewing panels:
1) The original screen grab with Scite-EZ,
2) the file displayed in the Cpanel Code Editor with expanded Tab size,
3) the file displayed using the Edit icon also with expanded Tab size.
4) and finally, what the file looked like after I copied it and re-pasted it into my local copy of the file using Scite-EZ. No Tab spacing at all.


For those of you unfamiliar with Scite-EZ it is just a text editor with some decent functionality. I thought that the "Edit" icon was the simple text editor. BTW, the View icon also displays the code with the expanded tabs.

If its the filemanager you don't like, then you can always use the legacy one.

When I think of the term "legacy", I picture using the older version not something that is simply familiar in a cosmetic sense.

I found the section where you can change the Cpanel styles (blue_lagoon, servers, sundaymorning, crimson_smoke etc. to name a few) and chose "x". I thought that this would bring back the older functionality … it did not.

When I fired up the File Manager I got the new one with the new editors.

When I am in the "new" file manager the only options that I see are those that are icons at the top. New File, New Folder, Copy Move File, … Edit, Code Editor, HTML Editor etc. I don't see any option to change back to the simple text editor that allowed me to integrate with my local editor, nor do I see any option for going back to the actual "legacy" file manager.

Actually, if I could stop it from changing the "4 space" tab settings that I prefer to the "8 space" setting it defaults to that would be a start.

As far as speed goes? LOL I've been writing programs professionally since 1978. I remember when full functioning applications, simple ones, had only a few hundred lines of code in them. I worked on several that had more than 15 MILLION lines of code and I can say that in many cases smaller, simple, lean programs are quicker more responsive.

When I see all of the "features" that are currently in the latest Cpanel, that functionality does not appear by magic. There are thousands and thousands of lines of code under the hood. It's not just a page with a simple link any more. Little pop up windows with the fancy progress bars all require more code to travel through, more processing time, more things that can possibly go wrong. I have a reasonably fast machine - core duo, EVGA 780i SLI w/2 EVGA 6800 GTX 768MB graphic cards, 4GB memory, 2 500 GB Sata HD's and still using XP instead of the the bloated Vista.

When I am working, I don't need pretty. I need something I can get in and out of … fast and something that doesn't want to try to change what I have created without my permission.

Thanks again, everyone who takes the time to help,
w

PS to date the one of the best editors that I have ever used is still that old trusty workhorse in UNIX called vi. Haven't programmed in it in over 15 years, but I remember slinging hundreds of thousands of lines of code faster than any other editor have worked with.

[cpanelnick]

Thanks for the reply.




In the attached picture (in the original post) there are four viewing panels:
1) The original screen grab with Scite-EZ,
2) the file displayed in the Cpanel Code Editor with expanded Tab size,
3) the file displayed using the Edit icon also with expanded Tab size.
4) and finally, what the file looked like after I copied it and re-pasted it into my local copy of the file using Scite-EZ. No Tab spacing at all.


For those of you unfamiliar with Scite-EZ it is just a text editor with some decent functionality. I thought that the "Edit" icon was the simple text editor. BTW, the View icon also displays the code with the expanded tabs.




When I think of the term "legacy", I picture using the older version not something that is simply familiar in a cosmetic sense.

I found the section where you can change the Cpanel styles (blue_lagoon, servers, sundaymorning, crimson_smoke etc. to name a few) and chose "x". I thought that this would bring back the older functionality … it did not.

When I fired up the File Manager I got the new one with the new editors.

When I am in the "new" file manager the only options that I see are those that are icons at the top. New File, New Folder, Copy Move File, … Edit, Code Editor, HTML Editor etc. I don't see any option to change back to the simple text editor that allowed me to integrate with my local editor, nor do I see any option for going back to the actual "legacy" file manager.

Actually, if I could stop it from changing the "4 space" tab settings that I prefer to the "8 space" setting it defaults to that would be a start.

As far as speed goes? LOL I've been writing programs professionally since 1978. I remember when full functioning applications, simple ones, had only a few hundred lines of code in them. I worked on several that had more than 15 MILLION lines of code and I can say that in many cases smaller, simple, lean programs are quicker more responsive.

When I see all of the "features" that are currently in the latest Cpanel, that functionality does not appear by magic. There are thousands and thousands of lines of code under the hood. It's not just a page with a simple link any more. Little pop up windows with the fancy progress bars all require more code to travel through, more processing time, more things that can possibly go wrong. I have a reasonably fast machine - core duo, EVGA 780i SLI w/2 EVGA 6800 GTX 768MB graphic cards, 4GB memory, 2 500 GB Sata HD's and still using XP instead of the the bloated Vista.

When I am working, I don't need pretty. I need something I can get in and out of … fast and something that doesn't want to try to change what I have created without my permission.

Thanks again, everyone who takes the time to help,
w

PS to date the one of the best editors that I have ever used is still that old trusty workhorse in UNIX called vi. Haven't programmed in it in over 15 years, but I remember slinging hundreds of thousands of lines of code faster than any other editor have worked with.

Do you get the same problem with the demo here:

http://www.cpanel.net/products/cpwhm/try_cp_whm.htm

Since the data isn't altered in any way, perhaps you are just needing a fixed width font in the editor?

If you open a ticket @ https://tickets.cpanel.net/submit/ we should be able to work with you to restore whatever functionality you have lost.

[wizbang]

Do you get the same problem with the demo here:

http://www.cpanel.net/products/cpwhm/try_cp_whm.htm

Since the data isn't altered in any way, perhaps you are just needing a fixed width font in the editor?

If you open a ticket @ https://tickets.cpanel.net/submit/ we should be able to work with you to restore whatever functionality you have lost.

if i try to create a directory(folder) or just a file to test with using the cpanel11 demo found here: http://x3demob.cpx3demo.com:2082/frontend/x3/index.html

I get the little dialog boxes but nothing happens.

regarding functionality ... this is not my server. My client hosts with a company called chihost out of Chicago. I don't think that i can submit a trouble ticket for them.

However.... i DID see the icon for legacy file manager in the demo so I'm going to look for that right now.

Hope this works.

Edited:
It worked ... THANKS! for all of your help!