Attracta to become new feature in cPanel & WHM (Q & A)

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Google recommends XML Sitemap submission in all of their Webmaster and SEO tutorials:
" Whether your site is old or new, we highly recommend you submit an XML Sitemap" - Google Webmaster Tutorial
Well, Troy, we indeed agree with this statement. But, can you provide some insight on what options does your app allow to be setup? Does it allow for sitemap indexes? video sitemaps? Does it recognize (or allow to) different parts of a website, like a blog and a forum or does it index everything to the xml? Does the sitemap generator have full features or there are some limited to paid suscription? The response to these questions, are the ones that will add real value to your proposal, because any newbie can build a sitemap, but not everyone has the knowledge to do it well, if you know what I mean.

I googled a while and Attracta demo was not found. Why don't you guys PLEASE provide a demo in order to allow US, the forced sysadmins, to better determine if we will like it or not.
 

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Well, Troy, we indeed agree with this statement. But, can you provide some insight on what options does your app allow to be setup? Does it allow for sitemap indexes? video sitemaps? Does it recognize (or allow to) different parts of a website, like a blog and a forum or does it index everything to the xml? Does the sitemap generator have full features or there are some limited to paid suscription? The response to these questions, are the ones that will add real value to your proposal, because any newbie can build a sitemap, but not everyone has the knowledge to do it well, if you know what I mean.

I googled a while and Attracta demo was not found. Why don't you guys PLEASE provide a demo in order to allow US, the forced sysadmins, to better determine if we will like it or not.
The best way to demo Attracta is login as root, and run this GET command to test it on a new site not yet in Google. Then Google the site and see how fast the service works. Most sites get indexed immediately. You could signup for a FREE account from Attracta's home page, but that won't give you the full user experience because Attracta's cPanel integration has more features and works much better.

Attracta provides a FREE XML Sitemap creation and submission to Google, Yahoo, Bing and Ask for up to 1,000 pages. It does do Sitemap indexes and mobile sitemaps but not video Sitemaps, yet.

Turbo Traffic 20 and Turbo Traffic 100 paid subscriptions provide automated creation and submission monthly and weekly for sites up to 100,000 pages, plus link building.

Others have posted comments about Google and Yoast having FREE Sitemap generators that do the same thing - fact or fiction, you decide, see View attachment Attracta vs Competition.pdf
 
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Troy, don´t take this personal but I think you are insulting the intelligence of most people discussion here.

Your services has 0 influence on Google indexing and how fast its done. Unless you claim to have some inside Google privileges which any company can claim ever, otherwise they would be boosted in the media over this.

Nobody has influence on how Google works at all, this includes indexing. So please trying to sell a gimmick.

I recently launched a new website and Google took 24 hour to index it. Yes, 24 hours. It was a vbulletin site and it has absolutely nothing special on it, except that I added it to Webmaster tools and the next day it was appearing in Google already, so I think what you claim is pretty rubbish. Any site can be indexed pretty fast, its not like it was years ago where it took weeks.

About the sitemap feature I think its a bit insulting as well.

I will not provide any particular suggestion here but ff you Google in Google "sitemap seo script" you find more that enough free and paid scripts that do this not to mention allot of other websites that do this also for free.

I still cannot possible think how you are advertising the XML sitemap creation as being the next biggest think invented, when there are thousands of websites that offer this free, and even without any type of registration like Attracta.

Any cPanel owner discussion here can gladly put such a sctript in their servers for their clients if they feel is an absolute need. Google Webmaster tools does this as well, and you can integrate that with cPanel as well. You can get free PHP script or even paid ones and they do far more than what Attracta free XML sitemaps does.

Its like if a new company now being a default addon on cPanel says "You need this, because our free service lets you put a contact form in your website, and any website needs a contact form"

What you claim is very similar. The free service of Atttacta is so simple and so easy to do that I hardly see why cPanel could come with a decision like this unless they really lowered their IQ mental levels I don´t see how this is the next big thing everybody wants. And sure, some people will love it, but just like they love any other services outhere. Hey, I love allot of services that give webmasters and designers tools. But that does not mean I will spam their cPanel with everything I happen to like. The number one complain when people buy new laptops (read Amazon reviews) is always how much trash software comes installed and they need to remove it just because Vendors think they need that great Antivirus installed by default. People and consumers don´t like this. They like freedom and choice.

If we think Attracta is needed, we are going to install and it offer it to consumers, but letting cPanel do the decision for us is not nice. And to be honest, you can take this how you like it but im being very honest with this, the reason I think you wanted it to be a default and probably was one of the strong points you negotiated with cPanel is because what Attracta does and offers is so simple nobody would use it unless its spammed right there by default into their servers. Yes, I tried your services and I never logged in after 24 hours because its was all whistles and bells and then when I signed up I just was scratching my head into what in the world was so amazing about it, it doesn't do anything at all. Even the paid version doesn't do anything you cant for free with other tools.

This is also why you probably don´t have a demo and the same reason why you want or need this to be default, otherwise it would not had market reach.

And someone else posted here something that make my lights come on. Its true, Attracta will actually boost their own SEO with all this links from their control panels and even you said here that hosters need to put a logo or link back to Attracta websites.

I think this is a big scam coming from cPanel in partnership with Attracta, they basically want to use their customers websites (and their hosting customers websites as well) to boost their own seo which then will give SEO services again to their own clients, while the biggest benefits are actually for Attracta.

So hosters need to put a link to Attracta, and the customers inside cPanel using it probably will need to do this as well for future services, thats what the little badge on the footer is for probably. How long will you think Google will bust you and cPanel websites for doing this? When they start to see massive linking coming such fast they will consider it Black Seo tactics.

If cPanel goes forward with this decision. I will pay a developer to code a script that disables this from all servers by default and forces it so it cannot be enabled or re-installed on any update. And I will provide this script for free here and on the Internet. We pay for cPanel and now we are not free to choose what external services we can or can´t use? So if that is how cPanel wants it then don´t expect customers to stay sit and see how you advertise on their customers control panels.

Instead of letting customers choose by default opt-in this will completely backfire you. Users hate forced opt-out and more people will disable or not use Attracta just because of this decision. More people would if it was opt-in and not forced opt-out, that is how spammers think, that if you don´t complain then you actually want the email.

And not you or cPanel answered the concerns about some other customers asking some real questions here. Instead like a sales guy you go around them telling how great the service is and how we all need it. I think allot of us asked real questions about real concerns here which neither cPanel or Attracta even bothers to try answering.
 
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Also, I still have to see the privacy pages, etc. I don't think I should have to install your software to see the terms of software use/service. And what if we don't agree to the terms? Are you going to accept all liability from the use of your service/software?
These are the Terms of Service, if this is what you mean:
Terms Of Service
Nothing you would not find in another terms of service.

The best way to demo Attracta is login as root, and run this GET command to test it on a new site not yet in Google. Then Google the site and see how fast the service works. Most sites get indexed immediately. You could signup for a FREE account from Attracta's home page, but that won't give you the full user experience because Attracta's cPanel integration has more features and works much better.
Sounds nice. But what exactly these commands will install in my server? Attracta will be installed like a feature? does it use or install any service/daemon? what are the minimal hardware requirements to run it? What should I expect after running those commands?
Please answer these questions, because we all see too much of a hard good marketing speech, but there are no Attracta's tech support members participating in this forum to answer our tech questions. Because it is not as simple as "just install it and let's the magic come true", we are sysadmins who daily eat spam, malware, DoS, and support tickets in our breakfast. We need screen captures, real world info, before we even download the installer.
Some clarification would be just lovely.


Attracta provides a FREE XML Sitemap creation and submission to Google, Yahoo, Bing and Ask for up to 1,000 pages. It does do Sitemap indexes and mobile sitemaps but not video Sitemaps, yet.
Pinging to Yahoo is no needed since Bing is running their indexes now, and for the next 10 years.
Microsoft, Yahoo! Change Search Landscape: Global Deal Creates Better Choice for Consumers and Advertisers

And Ask, who's actually using Ask? It has less than 2% in market share.
Search Engine Market Share / Usage Statistics (Trend Analysis)

Turbo Traffic 20 and Turbo Traffic 100 paid subscriptions provide automated creation and submission monthly and weekly for sites up to 100,000 pages, plus link building.
Quite impressive. And how much it costs to do SEO for forums with over 100k pages?

Others have posted comments about Google and Yoast having FREE Sitemap generators that do the same thing - fact or fiction, you decide, see View attachment 9591
Others? That report forgot to mention xml-sitemaps.com, which I've used and I'm happy for small, non-Wordpress sites. For Wordpress sites I cannot doubt of the quality of Yoast plugin, which can analyze keyword density on the fly to avoid over-optimization and then being penalized by Google.
Too Much SEO? Google

Q. How do I turn Attracta on and off?
We believe you should have the freedom of choice, and this feature can be turned OFF at your convenience if you do not wish to offer these services. Like other software bundled within cPanel, this add-on can be restrictedon a per-user basis.
The problem is that we don't have enough samples of this product to say "yes! cool! ship it enabled by default, I love it". As said above, we currently fight lots of malware daily, and even the internet world is changing its trends right now; understand our concern if we don't feel comfy, even if this awesome product comes inside such a respectable product like cPanel. The problem is that Attracta doesn't look so clear, seems to be an obscure service, when everybody knows that building a sitemap is not black magic...
We are not against Attracta. We are pinging Troy in order to get more info, please guys you can release more info.

Q. What are some of the free tools that web hosting providers will be able to offer to their clients?
Attracta SEO offers several free SEO tools to aid in driving traffic to your customers’ sites. Some of these tools are: Google Blacklist Check, XML Sitemap creation and submission, SEO Tips, link building services, and social networking tools to verify proper Facebook or Twitter accounts.
Aaron, you described "Some of these tools". Can we get a full list of what available services will be shipped FREE by default?
 

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The best way to demo Attracta is login as root, and run this GET command to test it on a new site not yet in Google.
I forgot to ask.... If I run the GET command and I DON'T LIKE what I see, please provide the commands to uninstall the package. Publish it in your website ASAP to help others to restore things if something didn't work.

Others have posted comments about Google and Yoast having FREE Sitemap generators that do the same thing - fact or fiction, you decide, see View attachment 9591
Well, we cannot decide anything as this package will be enabled by default. Sysadmins who don't read these forums will be unaware of this, thus, making impossible to them to take a decision.

Also, that PDF is just a white sheet, with no logo, no nothing. In fact, "printed" in your wife's computer. I'd rather prefer a link to any press release, or review, coming from a well known SEO news site. Please, can you?
 
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If cPanel goes forward with this decision. I will pay a developer to code a script that disables this from all servers by default and forces it so it cannot be enabled or re-installed on any update. And I will provide this script for free here and on the Internet.
... and I will be happy to contribute to the cost of this script.

The more I read Troy's responses, the more I understand that Attracta offers nothing that we need/is not provided by other free tools. And I am completely lost as to why cpanel wants to bundle Attracta. I'm sure there must be a financial or other incentive they're not willing to share.
 

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I am sorry, but this feature being added and especially on by default is complete bull honkey. Is cpanel going to start including google ads within cpanel as well? You cant compare this to adding roundcube or any other open source project. If you want to make it a feature we CAN turn on, thats fine, but enabling it by default is just plain wrong. By enabling the third party service by default, your literally costing us money/time to to disable a feature we never said we wanted in the first place.
 

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These are the Terms of Service, if this is what you mean:
Terms Of Service
Nothing you would not find in another terms of service.
Thanks, but I don't know what the terms are related to running attracta on our servers... they may or may not be the same, but Troy chooses to ignore me.

Troy, is this part of the cPanel-attracta bundle? " "AdDollars" means an in-text advertising service that analyzes your website pages, determines topics, keywords and matches and serves relevant sponsored keyword links within the text of your website pages." ?

You still haven't explained why it needs to be opt-out; in fact, I would respect you a lot more if you just came out and told us that it's just based on $ as opposed to repeating the mantra "everyone needs a sitemap", etc.

Anyhow, for now I'll suggest to our user-base to uninstall/disable this. Particularly based on the evasive behavior shown here.
 

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Thanks, but I don't know what the terms are related to running attracta on our servers... they may or may not be the same....
Indeed, those terms should be published before the bundle is shipped, for all of us to be able to take a peek and take better decisions.
 

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I forgot to ask.... If I run the GET command and I DON'T LIKE what I see, please provide the commands to uninstall the package. Publish it in your website ASAP to help others to restore things if something didn't work.
This should do it (this was the process as of a couple of months ago):

Code:
rm -rf /usr/local/cpanel/Cpanel/Attracta
rm -f /usr/local/cpanel/bin/attractaadmin
rm -f /usr/local/cpanel/bin/attractawrap
rm -f /usr/local/cpanel/base/frontend/x3/dynamicui/dynamicui_attracta*
rm -rf /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/Attracta
/usr/local/cpanel/bin/rebuild_sprites
 

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Can this be off by default? We offer our own SEO services and having this on would be promoting the competition.
 
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This should do it (this was the process as of a couple of months ago):

Code:
rm -rf /usr/local/cpanel/Cpanel/Attracta
rm -f /usr/local/cpanel/bin/attractaadmin
rm -f /usr/local/cpanel/bin/attractawrap
rm -f /usr/local/cpanel/base/frontend/x3/dynamicui/dynamicui_attracta*
rm -rf /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/Attracta
/usr/local/cpanel/bin/rebuild_sprites
Great. As you have obviously tested the app, can you certify if it install any kind of daemon, service, cron task, etc, that a sysadmin should be aware of?
 

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This should do it (this was the process as of a couple of months ago):

Code:
rm -rf /usr/local/cpanel/Cpanel/Attracta
rm -f /usr/local/cpanel/bin/attractaadmin
rm -f /usr/local/cpanel/bin/attractawrap
rm -f /usr/local/cpanel/base/frontend/x3/dynamicui/dynamicui_attracta*
rm -rf /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/Attracta
/usr/local/cpanel/bin/rebuild_sprites
Is that going to stop it from being installed again on next update though?

Honestly, either way, i will be sincerely disappointed in the cpanel staff if they dont have this off by default. We dont need third party commercial services crammed down ours or our customers throats. I am paying for control panel, not what they think is best for MY clients.
 

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Can this be off by default? We offer our own SEO services and having this on would be promoting the competition.
But that is the whole idea, to promote Attracta so thats why its ship ON as default, Attracta promotes this on their website as the first and only third party addon enabled by default on cPanel.

Yes, this will be not be welcomed by hosters offering SEO tools or SEO services, because it undercuts them.
 

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Is that going to stop it from being installed again on next update though?

Honestly, either way, i will be sincerely disappointed in the cpanel staff if they dont have this off by default. We dont need third party commercial services crammed down ours or our customers throats. I am paying for control panel, not what they think is best for MY clients.
No, it will be probably turned on again on major releases, like anything that ships turned ON by default.

What is worst, people deploying cPanel VPS or Servers on new installs it will also be turned on, which will need them to manually turn it off. What does this mean? No more automatic deployments of cPanel, now it needs manual staff intervention to turn it off.

We are all paying for a control panel here, and cPanel already made its decision without even consulting their customers. I was very surprised about this as cPanel is one of the best and more open companies I ever saw, the cPanel brand is very loved because they tend to hear their customers and work with them. Something completely different to Parallels. So I was a little shocked when they just decided this addon will be installed by default without even consulting at least a small % of their customers.
 

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Please be aware that the cPanel Executive Team is monitoring this thread and does appreciate your responses to date. We are also available if you would rather discuss any of your concerns and answer questions you might have with us directly by phone.

To help clarify cPanel's position on all of this and clear up some of the misconceptions raised, I'd like to go back over some of the key points of our overall strategy here if I could.

Attracta integration with cPanel was originally announced last year at the cPanel Conference 2011 in Austin, Texas. Our goal in announcing this new Feature here in advance of it being deployed to EDGE tier, shortly, was to get a wider variety of feedback from the cPanel Community at large as it rolls out. This serves multiple purposes; we are able to get more information out to those already patiently waiting for this, and allows those users who are just now finding out that this is on the way, to know more about it in general.

cPanel has been actively researching the usefulness and benefits of Attracta with some of our larger Partners who currently do use, or intend on taking advantage of Attracta in the future for some time now. We came to the conclusion from that internal research that this product has many positive advantages that we feel the entire cPanel Community, Hosting Providers and their Clients could make good use of and benefit from.

Until now, adding Attracta SEO Tools took some time and effort to install on your servers. Until now, the question of "is my site being indexed by the top search engines that I want to be seen on" was a grey area that could be confusing to new users. Until now, making sure your website was SEO compatible was most often put into the hands of paid professionals, or, if a user wanted to go it alone, a huge task to take in and digest all of the existing data that's available to accomplish what Attracta can do for them with a few clicks, properly.

Fully integrating this software with cPanel makes sense, due to the nature of what these SEO tools provide your clients. Along with the many other Features already in cPanel we all know about and love, Attracta becomes one more tool in your Clients arsenal for making Website SEO Management, easier.

Proper integration of the plugin, dependencies and updates to Attracta will all now be taken care of for you with cPanel updates. With so many of the Top Hosting Providers using this Attracta integration already, we saw a need to support this on a larger scale. Our motivation is as it always has been at cPanel in that we strive to provide you with the best set of Server Management and Website Account management tools available. cPanel does not take integrating 3rd party software lightly. Anything we bundle with the core product must be able to meet or exceed in our expectations as to it's usefulness for our user base. We believe that Attracta meets these expectations.

Over the years as cPanel has grown and new Features have been introduced, there has always been some apprehension and concern about new Features being enabled by default. We understand this of course and strive be sure that anything added in and enabled by default, serves some valued purpose. Attracta in this case, is no different in that regard. There are no fees involved or credit card deposits required by Hosting Providers nor their Clients for the basic set of tools provided with this integration. This is important to understand. cPanel, Inc. nor Attracta are charging your Client any fees to use these very popular services. Services that can bring your Clients more traffic and help them succeed and make money with their websites.

What's new and different here in this case though is, for this service to be of any use to Hosting Providers and your Clients, you will need to opt-in / sign up which connects your Clients to Attracta's system. That system is where the magic happens. Attracta's crawlers visits your site and find all of its pages and then compiles a report and an XML site map for you, with a few clicks. The Attracta system will even submit your newly created sitemap to the major search engines for you. The Attracta system can report broken links you might not be aware of, missing error pages and can help you find and fix other miscellaneous common SEO problems the new user would have no idea might exist. That's all done for free, no charge. Keep in mind there is also no overhead on the Hosting Providers servers resources, either.

There is some concern about this new feature being enabled by default. This is true. That does not mean that you can't disable it if you use some other comparable plugin or offer this sort of paid-for-service in house, nor does this mean that cPanel is forcing anyone to use it. To the contrary, the idea is to make taking advantage of this new Feature, easier to get busy using. We feel that in time as this becomes more widely adopted that you'll come to appreciate the power these new Features brings to the Hosting Packages you offer.

There have also been several comments about the financial incentives here where cPanel is concerned. cPanel's motivation here is to continue to be your Leading Control Panel Software Company. We want you to have every opportunity and tools available to succeed. That said, it is still important we feel, to point out that the financial incentives that do exist here, benefit you the Hosting Providers. Your Clients never have to spend a dime with Attracta, ever. This is clearly stated on the Attracta website. If your Clients find that they are benefiting from the free, basic services Attracta provides, then they can if they wish to, upgrade and expand the tools offered, for a fee. This is no different from many other software models we all know about currently. These fees to expand services all the way up to Enterprise level for the largest of sites in this case though, are shared back with the Hosting Providers that offer Attracta services.

Many Top Hosting Companies that are currently using Attracta are already making money due to this incentive. Our internal research over the past year has shown us conclusively that these value added services offered, benefits those Clients who want their sites to have more traffic. You want your business to succeed and to do that, you need your customers business to succeed. cPanel wants to make sure you both have what you need to get there.

With all that in mind, cPanel is a company, not unlike yours in that what we do, we do to make money. In order to offer this unique service and bundle it in with the cPanel Product as we are now doing, takes resources.

Answering the question then; “Is there financial incentive for cPanel, Inc. to offer the Attracta product like this?” The answer of course is, yes! We have gone to great lengths to make this happen as it just makes sense to have this sort of Feature available. But, we did not want to take anything away from the profit incentive component Attracta currently offers. In the end we were able meet our desired goals here with Attracta and Hosting Providers will get the full 10%, recurring, sharing the profit of any additional services purchased.

To be clear: Clients get easy-to-use tools to generate site maps which can bring them more traffic and hopefully, additional revenue. Hosting Providers who offer these services need not do anything here aside from registering an account via WHM to register the server properly. Once thats done leave it enabled to be used by their Clients. If those Clients wish to upgrade to expand their services, we think many will, Hosting Providers will make 10% of every upgrade purchased. No work involved there, sans the occasional ticket asking about how it all works. Attracta does come with a full section of documentation your Clients can read right from within their cPanel interface. cPanel makes sure this all operates as expected on our end, Hosting Providers with additional questions or issues are fully supported as always as only cPanel Support can do, and Attracta compensates the company for this inclusion of the Attracta software with cPanel.


Finally, what's missing here in this thread I think, are links to the Attracta website that explains more about the system itself in clear terms.
Attracta Overview - How it Works
Attracta - Partner Program Kit

Introduction to Attracta's SEO Tools Video

[video=youtube;4eZ9p4uW0lU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eZ9p4uW0lU[/video]​
 

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please dont turn this on by default, I've coded similiar script and offer to my client for free. I dont want any 3rd on my cPanel server, cPanel it self is enough. If I like attracta SEO tools I'll setup them myself :)

If we found that usefull we'll installing that manually even cpanel dont support it. If this plugin bundle with cPanel why not bundle any other plugin as many as you like, then we'll move to competitor. We love cPanel but not in this case!
 

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Thanks for the detailed reply; I still don't see why this needs to be on by default.

Also, which is it?

cPanel doesn't earn any revenue share on this deal.
Answering the question then; “Is there financial incentive for cPanel, Inc. to offer the Attracta product like this?” The answer of course is, yes!

cPanel makes sure this all works as planned on our end and keeps everyone fully supported as only cPanel Support can do, and Attracta compensates the company for this inclusion of the Attracta software with cPanel.
I think an explanation/apology is in order. And please don't cya with the semantics of "revenue share" and "financial incentive".
 

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Thanks for the clarification Aaron.

Disabling Attracta may become just one more of the steps in configuring new cPanel installs. Or may not. The fact, you must understand that aprehension to new services is normal when you already offer the same service.

On the other hand, not every customer will be aware of the Attracta icon, as actually does with Fantastico scripts. We will be testing Attracta with one or two domains once bundled in cPanel, and then decide if keep it globally enable or not, or even make it available for a number of selected customers.
 
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