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Incremental backup (rsync?) using S3

Discussion in 'Data Protection' started by nlaruelle, Sep 26, 2017.

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  1. nlaruelle

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    Hello,

    Sorry if the question was asked before, didn't find anything.

    Now I use Amazon S3 compressed (.zip) backups. I pay now for around 2 To backups and I have to keep 40% of my cPanel server free of SSD disk space to allow the night backups...

    So, I want to optimize somethings...

    I want to use incremental cPanel backups. My hoster PlanetHoster told me I have to set it to rsync(?) then, I need a rsync compatible storage device ?

    Before, I was thinking about another low cost hosting service with a linux distribution... but expensive already for storage only.

    I ask them and they told me about Google Cloud or Storj.io...

    So, my question is. Is it possible to set up cPanel incremental backup to Google Cloud, Storj.io or (coz I'm already customer of them) Amazon S3 ?

    Do not hesitate to paste me the link I miss to find, I'm sure you made this discussion already.
     
  2. cPanelMichael

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    Hello,

    Incremental backups are only supported to remote destinations in cPanel version 66 using the "rsync" destination type at this time. I encourage you to open a feature request to seek out support for remote incremental backups to additional destinations (e.g. Google Drive, Amazon S3):

    Submit A Feature Request

    Thank you.
     
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    Hi,

    Just thinking out loud here...

    Would it not be logical then, especially if already an Amazon customer, to establish an instance with a cPanel installation and use that for the rsync backup location?
     
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    I'm interesting in keeping an eye on this conversation.

    In, I think we're all still waiting for the ultimate solution:

    - Incremental backups. Fastest to process and transfer (small files)
    - Multiple restore points. Because just 1 is kind of pointless
    - Remote location. e.g. Google Drive or Amazon. Cheapest storage

    Checking out the latest v.70 documentation:

    Backup Configuration - Version 70 Documentation - cPanel Documentation

    The additional destinations available are (in v.70):
    - Amazon S3
    - FTP
    - Additional Local Directory
    - SFTP
    - WebDAV
    - Google Drive
    - Rsync
    - Custom

    In the above documentation it says "If you use the Incremental backup type, you can only use Rsync additional destinations."

    I find the above statement slightly ambiguous. Does it mean:

    1. You must choose Rsync as your additional destination, and no other, OR
    2. Rsync will work, but other destinations might work too for incremental too, but we're not going to tell you which.

    I've just experimentally setup a Google Drive as a remote additional destination. And I'm being explicitly told in WHM that Google Drive does not support incremental. OK, that's fine, but is there some/any service/option/add-on in Google Drive (or Amazon) that will enable the ability to use Rsync?

    An article on "Setting up remote incremental backups, with multiple restore points, from WHM to Amazon S3 or Google Drive" would be awesome!
     
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  5. cPanelMichael

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    Hello @spaceman,

    You must choose Rsync as the destination type in order to utilize incremental backups with a remote destination. Choosing a different destination type is only supported with the standard backup format at this time.

    Thank you.
     
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    Thanks for that clarification @cPanelMichael

    Can you tell me if my "ultimate solution" is achievable yet, or soon, i.e.:

    1. Incremental backups. Fastest to process and transfer (small files)
    2. Multiple restore points. Because just 1 is kind of pointless
    3. Remote location. e.g. Google Drive or Amazon. Cheapest storage

    Right now it seems like it's easy to achieve two of the above, but not yet 3 out of 3.

    For example, right now we're achieving #1+#2, but not #3. We're using R1Soft CDP software to backup to dedicated backup services in the same data centre as our primary hosting servers. But the cost (because of the large disk storage) for those dedicated backup servers is high.

    So we'd love to be able to instead utilise lower cost external storage for our backups using Google Drive or Amazon, but only if we can still maintain multiple restore points from incremental backup processing.

    Thanks,

    Ross
     
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    No, this is not yet supported. The only remote destination type that we currently support for incremental backups is Rsync. I encourage you to vote for the following feature request, and open a new one for Google Drive support:

    Amazon S3 Rsync Backup Support

    Thank you.
     
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    Thanks.

    I understand that Rysnc is necessary for incremental backups, all good.

    But Rsync, by itself, doesn't provide multiple restore points, right? That would need some other technology or process to allow this? Am I correct?

    Thanks again,

    Ross
     
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    Rsync is the utility that's used for the transfer itself. As far as how multiple incremental backups are stored, we make use of hard links for that purpose. Here's a thread with some more information on how that works:

    How do the backups work exactly?

    Thank you.
     
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