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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by rogerfreak, Jan 6, 2002.

  1. rogerfreak

    rogerfreak Registered

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    what is that internal and external license means? if i were to buy for my server as a host and use the cpanel as control panel for my hostees, what license should i buy? thanks :)
     
  2. Craig

    Craig Well-Known Member

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    I belive an internal lience is for when you host your server in a distributers NOC - so its an internal licence and the external is when the server is not in a NOC thats run by a cpanel distributer.

    So depending on who your server is with will depend on the pricing.

    Don\'t hold me to this though, its just what im lead to belive. No distributer want to handle this?

    C.
     
  3. feanor

    feanor Well-Known Member

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    :D

    That\'s exactly correct. If your machine is hosted alongside our machines in the same facility that houses our server farm, then you qualify to purchase an internal cpanel license from our company.

    If your machine is hosted outside that facility, be it in Puerto Rico, Kenya, or New Zealand, then you must purchase an external cpanel license if you would like our company to provide licensing to your box.

    More info, from our perspective ::
    http://www.powersurge.net/cp/


    Peace.
     
  4. totalufo

    totalufo Well-Known Member

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    I talked to a guy the other day that is making a clone of Cpanel using various open source scripts. He\'s not going to charge a dime and supposedly it\'s just as good. I\'ll believe it when I see it.

    It is a shame that it costs so much. They have the market cornered for now. This is probably why the guy is making it open source. If it was \"affordable\" say, $35.00 per month per server (off location) it would be worth it.

    The way it\'s priced just does not make good business sense. They would actaully make more money if they sold it for less.

    1. More people would be able to afford it which would result in muchmore sales.

    2. They could always charge a small amount for plug-ins

    3. There is nothing wrong with charging for premium support.

    4. More clients means more contacts. Introducing a new product will almost guarantee success.

    Suggested rates:

    Package #1:
    $35.00 per server (100 domains max)
    $20.00 per support call
    $20.00 per new feature per server (could be scales)

    Package #2
    $99.00 per server (unlimited domains)
    Free support
    Free upgrades

    Get people in the door cpanel.
     
  5. DaveUsedToWorkHere

    DaveUsedToWorkHere Well-Known Member

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    Totalufo,
    It costs a certain amount of money to run a dedicated server, to provide support, to provide licenses, and to run a company. Cpanel rates are set at a price which allows us to keep our company in business. There are many costs behind putting out this product which create a need for the current pricing.

    Dave
    DarkORB Billing
     
  6. totalufo

    totalufo Well-Known Member

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    Understood P
     
  7. fizz

    fizz Well-Known Member

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    [quote:697a619e58][i:697a619e58]Originally posted by billing[/i:697a619e58]
    Totalufo,
    It costs a certain amount of money to run a dedicated server, to provide support, to provide licenses, and to run a company. Cpanel rates are set at a price which allows us to keep our company in business. There are many costs behind putting out this product which create a need for the current pricing.

    Dave
    DarkORB Billing [/quote:697a619e58]

    i can understand, but dont you think that INTERNAL liscencing should be more then external? i mean if someone is gonna run it on thier own server then they have to worry about server costs and mainteneance, not you. I agree with him that the process by which liscencing works right now is way.
     
  8. DaveUsedToWorkHere

    DaveUsedToWorkHere Well-Known Member

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  9. bdraco

    bdraco Guest

    [quote:0b851a3b82][i:0b851a3b82]Originally posted by totalufo[/i:0b851a3b82]
    I talked to a guy the other day that is making a clone of Cpanel using various open source scripts. He\'s not going to charge a dime and supposedly it\'s just as good. I\'ll believe it when I see it.

    It is a shame that it costs so much. They have the market cornered for now. This is probably why the guy is making it open source. If it was \"affordable\" say, $35.00 per month per server (off location) it would be worth it.

    The way it\'s priced just does not make good business sense. They would actaully make more money if they sold it for less.

    1. More people would be able to afford it which would result in muchmore sales.

    2. They could always charge a small amount for plug-ins

    3. There is nothing wrong with charging for premium support.

    4. More clients means more contacts. Introducing a new product will almost guarantee success.

    Suggested rates:

    Package #1:
    $35.00 per server (100 domains max)
    $20.00 per support call
    $20.00 per new feature per server (could be scales)

    Package #2
    $99.00 per server (unlimited domains)
    Free support
    Free upgrades

    Get people in the door cpanel. [/quote:0b851a3b82]


    That pricing model doesn\'t really work in the \"real world\" Package #1 would probably end up using $300/month in support where as package 2 if they were charged for support would probably use none or $20 worth. Why? Here\'s my logic. Generally the person buying a license for 100 clients only will have never used Cpanel, they will have a lot of questions, most of them will not get asked because they have to pay for support. Thus the user may have a negitive experience with cpanel because they are lost on something and don\'t want to pay for support. The person who has the unlimited support has generally used cpanel before and probably won\'t ask any questions. If they are a newbie, they will probably ask all their questions in the first week and then you won\'t hear from them again (this is not always the case... some people never stop asking questions). Your pricing plan may sound good to some, however from me experience more people lose out then benifit in that pricing structure, or we would have been doing that a long time ago.
     
  10. totalufo

    totalufo Well-Known Member

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    It would be for people like me that find all of my answers on these forums. I\'ve fixed almost every problem I\'ve had by using these forums.
     
  11. rpmws

    rpmws Well-Known Member

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    I don\'t see what the big deal is about pricing of Cpanel !! The guys at DarkORB have to eat!! The price right now as far as I am concerned is too cheap the way it is and charging per domains and all that crap is exacatally what made Alabanza go under. If you can get 5,000 accounts on a single cpanel server then great .If you can only manage to run 20 accounts that that\'s your problem. It is sold per machine and I like that. Paying $50, $100 ,$200 per/month to have it on a server that brings in several thousand per/month shouldn\'t be an issue. If you tiny tiny guys out there are thinking that you can\'t affoard it \"please lower the price\" I got news for you.. sometimes you have to loose money for a while before you show a profit. It\'s called investment / return.
     
  12. BreeOge

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    The price is WAY TO HIGH.. how is anybody suppose to start out? Hell with this panel.. you cant start out.. you would go broke before you ever got any customers.. 99 per month.. is way to much.. and 1700 is OMFG I can build 2 computers for that price.. what are you thinking.. CPANEL is nice.. but I think i will be looking for another Control Panel that is a little more down to earth.. and not got their head up in outer space!! something like Hostgui, but even they are a little high for the beginner.. but they are better!
     
  13. awsol

    awsol cPanel Test Bitch

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    [quote:0647324aef][i:0647324aef]Originally posted by BreeOge[/i:0647324aef]

    The price is WAY TO HIGH.. how is anybody suppose to start out? Hell with this panel.. you cant start out.. you would go broke before you ever got any customers.. 99 per month.. is way to much.. and 1700 is OMFG I can build 2 computers for that price.. what are you thinking.. CPANEL is nice.. but I think i will be looking for another Control Panel that is a little more down to earth.. and not got their head up in outer space!! something like Hostgui, but even they are a little high for the beginner.. but they are better![/quote:0647324aef]

    Uh huh and will you be running your business off 56k to reduce costs?
     
  14. BreeOge

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    Umm no.. I understand bandwith cost... I look at it this way..

    Windows = around 300 for software.. does allot

    Cpane = 1700 or 99 a month = only does web hosting stuff, is more of a portal than anything, nice portal I will agree.. but nothing more.. the price would be more affordable even if it was 40 bucks a month.. i wouldnt complain.. what it does vs price.. is way off target..
     
  15. ecoutez

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    Contact some partner NOCs

    Several partner NOCs will give you an internal license for under $40/month. You seem to agree that's a reasonable cost, so check it out!

    If you want to run the servers in your own location, you can always get a reseller account from another provider which will get you started with the first few clients who will then make it possible to swing the licensing cost for an external license.

    Call around to the different distributors/NOCs - the pricing does vary somewhat and some do sell external licenses for quite a bit less than $100.

    It's hard to fully appreciate the value of the CPanel license until you've really seen it in action. I installed my first three CPanel servers over the past few months and it's been a pleasure watching them keep themselves updated in terms of recent security exploits including OpenSSH, OpenSSL, Apache and MOD_SSL. On the flip side, I've been working pretty hard on my old servers which aren't running CPanel. EMail again for a test license - they've always responded to my requests quickly.

    And as for comparisons to other products, there are some out there that are less expensive but limit you to a certain number of clients/accounts/domains per server. That's something I had no interest in personally. You mentioned HostGUI in another thread, and I'm still not sure why everyone is drooling over their supposed product. It might be great and it might stink, but for now the only thing proven to exist are some pretty pictures. I waited far too long for them to release the product because I liked the idea of a one-time fee, but frankly it was costing me money to wait (oportunity cost) and months later there's still no clear release date. Do yourself a favor - don't wait for it. Go with CPanel, get some clients to make it worthwhile, and get your business moving today.

    - Jason
     
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