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new backup system on 11.38, no weekly option?

Discussion in 'Data Protection' started by ikillbill, Jul 1, 2013.

  1. ikillbill

    ikillbill Well-Known Member

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    why there is no weekly option on new 11.38 backup system?

    We don;t really want to keep "7" daily retentions and monthly backup is usually too old if clients want to restore their website
     
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    MaestriaNick Well-Known Member

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    You can find the option WHM >> Backup >> Legacy Backup Configuration .
     
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    ikillbill Well-Known Member

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    I am aware of that, but we wish to use "new" backup system though

    why there is no "weekly" option?
     
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    Hello :)

    To enable a weekly backup, you should only select one day when enabling the "Backup Daily" option in "WHM Home » Backup » Backup Configuration". You can also choose to retain multiple daily backups.

    Thank you.
     
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    Multiple daily back ups is not the same as weekly. Having daily/weekly/monthly is akin to sing a tower of hanoi system. I much prefer to have retention of 1 monthly, 1 weekly, and 2 daily backups at all times. It makes a difference. In enhancing a feature such as back up, the new version ought not eliminate options that are useful and distinct. Please bring back the weekly option ASAP.
     
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    In this way, we basically lose "daily" backup don;t we?

    Why weekly is gone though? any particular reasons?

     
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    The new backup system does not place backup archives in "daily", "weekly", or "monthly" directories like the legacy backup system does. Instead, it uses the actual date of backup generation. EX:

    /backup/2013-07-03

    Thus, if you retain multiple daily backups, you will not lose the last daily backup. Could you elaborate on how the daily backup is lost?

    Thank you.
     
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    That is not the same. You ARE losing one level of back up... The way it is now you can only retain daily and monthly (which has a major bug). Here is what I want but cannot do...

    Daily (every day retain two days)
    Weekly (every Sunday retain one)
    Monthly (1st and 15th retain one).

    In this case (which I cannot do in the new set up) I would always have the latest monthly (1st or 15th) PLUS I would always have the latest weekly (the most current Sunday) PLUS I would have the latest TWO daily back ups. Because you guys chose to remove the weekly option I no longer can do this. In your new system I can have the monthly and EITHER the weekly or daily but not all three. You reduced functionality...
     
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    if we want to have weekly backup on "new"cpanel backup system, we need to make daily run everyday, don;t we?
    If this way, we need to keep "7" retentions of daily backup that will cost us a lot to upgrade backup drives

    We just want to keep
    daily => one retention so if server crashes, we have "latest" backup to restore
    weekly => one retention too, to let client could find old files when they make mistakes on file edition and do not notice it in time

    mostly of time, weekly is the most useful backup files for clients coz 95% of them notice problems days later, so daily is ususally not useful

    Also, we do NOT want client to restore 7 DAYS of backup from MON-SUN for just trying to find what they want, which might cause server problems

    so, to resolve these issues, please add a function to let us decide "how many retentions" too keep on each frequency

    thanks!
     
  10. cPanelMichael

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    I do see your point in that it's difficult to have a weekly backup without retaining more daily backups than possibly desired. Please open a feature request for this at:

    Submit A Feature Request

    The more votes and input a feature request receives, the more likely it is that it will be implemented.

    Thank you.
     
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    added, please vote guys!
     
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    Please give a link to your request. I cannot find it in the fear=true request system because it is so cumbersome and awkward to use.
     
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    Everyone interested in this feature, please vote at the above Feature Request page.

    When I took the project over, one of the original design goals was moving away from daily/weekly/monthly, and moving towards control over which days of the week to run and control over retention.

    I revived monthly in the final sprints based on feedback received at 2012 cPanel conf. When asked the followup question, "do you need us to revive weekly?", the responses were unanimously "no".

    It looks like we are now receiving that customer feedback. Thank you for the input.
     
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    Voted.

    We've heavily customised the legacy process and hoped this would be the answer to coming back to the standard install, as it stands it isn't - we'll be sticking with a modded legacy package.
     
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    Phil thank you for your feedback and input. Yes we indeed do need a weekly back up. The original three tier system was good and the enhancements added by the new system are excellent. Adapting the new system to a merger of the two would be ideal. Letting us select the days we want the monthly back up to run and also giving us the ability to define our retention is absolutely wonderful, thank you a lot for the time and effort that went into creating that. Adding back in a weekly option with the ability to select which day of the week the weekly back up is run (could be a combo box with SUN-SAT populated) and a retention frequency apart from the daily and monthly retention would be perfect. In my situation I would set up as follows...

    MONTHLY: run on the 1st - retain 1 copy
    WEEKLY: run on Sunday - retain 2 copies
    DAILY: run every day - retain 3 copies

    I realize that for some this would be excessive and I agree. However in my situation it is appropriate as many of my client have very dynamic sites with mission critical data.

    Add this back in and resolve the pending case about monthly back ups and this system would be better than any I have ever used.
     
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    current backup let us choose either "1" or "7" retentions, which is a big jump of cost for us, so please kindly add weekly option back

    thanks
     
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