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Discussion in 'E-mail Discussions' started by pats, Mar 14, 2002.

  1. pats

    pats Well-Known Member

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    hi,

    NeoMail does not support attachments.

    The new UbiMieu has some problems, the receipient gets the senders name as [none], though it is defined in Preferences.

    I looked thru, and found one free WebMail
    http://www.phpguru.org/frederick.html

    pls look at it.. i tested it and found to be very nice.

    My customers/users and hopefully all other Cpanel users should be greatly benefitted by it.

    thanks

    pats
     
  2. zex

    zex Well-Known Member

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    Well it's probobly time to think about replacing neomail from
    cpanel, since neomail is not anymore in development, what can be better than *NEW* neomail.

    Openwebmail (http://turtle.ee.ncku.edu.tw/openwebmail/)Open WebMail is a webmail system based on the Neomail version 1.14 from Ernie Miller. Open WebMail is designed to manage very large mail folder files in a memory efficient way.

    I'm using neomail on some of my servers for last year and I didn't have any problems with openwebmail.

    My strongly suggestions for openwebmail.
     
  3. bdraco

    bdraco Guest

    I like it a lot better then neomail actually
    I'm testing it now (already patched it to work with cpanel) .. still a few minor problems.. if you would like to try it out

    update to build 64..

    http://&domain&:2082/openwebmail/openwebmail.pl


    (note: its not linked into anything until I've finished testing)
     
  4. bdraco

    bdraco Guest

    Build 67 has better support for openwebmail
     
  5. pats

    pats Well-Known Member

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    [quote:0ff48c63bf][i:0ff48c63bf]Originally posted by pats[/i:0ff48c63bf]

    So Build 67 and openwebmail both are updated and available for end users?
    [/quote:0ff48c63bf]

    Its not linked in there yet .. but if you know about it you could use it .. like I said its not done testing yet
     
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    dzevad Well-Known Member

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    Strange problem

    I've just tried new Open webmail with my test domain. I entered mail user and pass for that domain and got reply: Sorry, root login is disabled for security's sake (wasn't using root pass). After that in both IE 6 and Netscape 6 when I try to access cpanel of that domain gives me just blank pages (no error just white).
    Then in order to get back cpanel on that domain I have to reboot my server (not httpd but whole server). Reseting my computer doesn't help (so it's not cache problem). Other cpanels seem to work fine.

    Other users are of course not accepted (since it's Cpanel login basicly).

    Dzevad
     
  8. kosmo

    kosmo Well-Known Member

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    just tested. Looks much better than anything else. Can it be modified to display &user@deomain& as default address instead &user@servername&?

    It wasn't clear to me why kosmo@mois.vosn.net displayed as my default address nor was it clear how to change this. Clients will be very irritated.

    kosmo
     
  9. crowman

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    What about the customers that like NeoMail?

    Their has been a flood of updates to Cpanel and whm. Most with little to no testing. Some of my customers would like some heads up on changes and even some input.

    Don't get me wrong. Most of the upgrades I have liked.

    Some of my customers use NeoMail ONLY! They have the address book all fixed and have things set the way they like it.

    When you install they new email program is it going to add all of the customers set up and data?

    Will they still have access to NeoMail?

    Why not make it when you can do http://domain.com/neo
    So customers that want to use it can still do so.

    You could set the other one up as http://domain.com/open

    And if you wanted to also keep the Uebimiau you could use http://domain.com/cat

    We are all in the customer service biz. RIGHT?
     
  10. SoftmegUK

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    Good Idea...

    Most of the people I host also just use neomail and have people in the adress book and they are familiar with the system. I think making a complete change may cause a bit of confusion. I think you should still keep neomail running in the background.
    Eddy
     
  11. pats

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    good point by crowman...

    even my customers pointed out that they used neomail and every sent email is in the sent box, which they can't access if the use the Ubimieu.. and also the address book, only they get hold of is the Inbox.

    So watever done shud take the whole present data as much as possible, so that end user don't get the pain.

    :)
     
  12. zex

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    I also have same problem like Dzevad with openwebmail in cpanel.

    -------------------------------------------------------------
    Open WebMail ERROR

    Sorry, root login is disabled for security's sake.
    euid=0, egid=947 947, mailgid=12
    -------------------------------------------------------------

    Btw neomail should stay in background for users who *LOVE*
    neomail. And I will also would like to see scripts that will convert addressbooks from neomail to openwebmail.
     
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    webmail

    I wanted to integrate SquirrelMail, but I am having some issues. What do I need to do in order for Cpanel to recognize that it exists besides putting in a link through webmaillogin.cgi? It seems that webmaild is parsing everything but neomail and uebimiau out.

    Thanks,
    Max
     
  14. rlpittman

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    Logging in to Open Webmail

    Tried logging into openwebmail by putting in acct info that I know works, but I can't get in. Is there anything else that I need to do? I have version 4.5.0 Build 76.
     
  15. rlpittman

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    Not really a "Me Too" ...

    ... although I think the idea of splitting out the options for the different email packages is a great idea.

    Is there a way to eliminate the access to Uebimiau? I've found a couple of minor problems with it and don't really want my customers running into issues. I also have some customers (don't we all) to whom change is verbotten! My dad, for instance. Really screws him up if things change.
    :p

    Oh, well, we'll see what the updates bring.
     
  16. deselms

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    NeoMail vs Uebimiau vs Open Webmail

    I think (and this is just my opinion) that we're doing our users a terrible disservice by offering the horrific Uebimiau. No matter what else is decided, I'm hereby *begging* (as I have also done elsewhere in these forums) the CPanel3 folks to please, please get rid of that Uebimiau atrosity once and for all!

    I don't understand why we need to offer multiple webmail user interface choices in the first place. I understand NeoMail's shortcomings (some of which, I've noticed, have been remedied of late -- most notibly, how it displays HTML-formatted messages, among others). But anyone who thinks that offering Uebimiau as an alternative to NeoMail makes us look more professional, or in any way enhances the level of service that we are able to deliver to our customers, is dreaming. NeoMail, warts and all, is the only interface that should pop-up at :2082 in my opinion for the time being.

    Now, that having been said, this whole business of Open Webmail really interests me! Lately, I've been researching which web-based email client I'd like to offer with my dial-up accounts (separate from CPanel). In my research, I found the web site:

    http://www.cru.fr/http-mail/

    and I've been looking at all the different choices. Of course I like SquirrelMail, as several others here have mentioned. Its interface is the most full-featured and comes the closest to looking and behaving, generally, like the interface at big sites like MAIL.COM and others. But SquirrelMail is IMAP. And, frankly, I've heard some weird stories about SquirrelMail and the actual practicalities of maintaining it. I know of one ISP in Rohnert Park, California who recently dumped it in favor of IMP. And he swears it was the best thing he ever did. So I'm not so sure SquirrelMail is necessarily the end-all and be-all of web-based email, either.

    I think we need to not lose site of the role of web-based email for most of our users -- or at least what its role *should* be. The guy who wrote NeoMail used the slogan &Webmail that doesn't suck... as much.& Some of us hated that slogan, but when talking to the guy you realize that his point was that *all* web-based email pretty much sucks (when compared with using a real email client on one's PC). And that the point of NeoMail was to deliver the essential features -- no more and no less -- and that's it. The presumption of NeoMail's creator was that NeoMail (or any web-based email client, for that matter) is something one should only use when one isn't at one's PC where he/she may use a *real* email client like Outlook, Outlook Express, Netscape Communicator, Eudora, or whatever. And, personally, I completely agree with that viewpoint. I counsel all of my users *not* to make the web-based interface their *only* interface; to use a *real* email client as their default interface; and to only use NeoMail when at work, at a friend's house, while traveling, at a Kinkos or wherever their computer is not.

    But, regardless whether it's their only interface or just a tool when they're traveling, most of our users are accustomed to NeoMail. And that, among other things, makes Open Webmail the *perfect* choice to replace it, in my opinion.

    As a NeoMail fan (yes, even with all its shortcomings), I was naturally attracted to Open Webmail since it's based on NeoMail, pretty much looks and behaves like NeoMail, and definitely does NeoMail one better in a whole bunch of areas.

    I think there is (or should be) no question that Open Webmail is the direction the CPanel3 folks ought to go -- assuming they can get everything working as smoothly as NeoMail has been working.

    I think that, once the following things are true:

    1. That all the bugs have been worked out of its integration into CPanel3, and,

    2. That users don't suddenly have to type-in different login and password data from what they've been typing-in when using NeoMail, and,

    3. That there will be some kind of procedure whereby address book, folder contents, and user preference settings will not be lost or damaged in the changeover, then,

    Open Webmail should *definitely* be the only web-based interface that appears at :2082 ; that we should just get rid of NeoMail in favor of Open Webmail and that Open Webmail should be the only choice. Any NeoMail user who gives Open Webmail an honest try would agree, I think.

    And, thereafter, once Open Webmail is decided upon and its implementation into CPanel3 perfected, the CPanel folks should really go and concentrate on other stuff and leave the web-based email interface more or less alone (save for bug reports and whatnot) so we all don't have to go through this again!

    Just my opinion.

    For those who have never seen Open Webmail, just think NeoMail but with slightly different icons in the upper-left area of the screen, and a whole bunch more cool features throughout. And better speed in places, and less memory usage.

    Anyone who wants to read more about Open Webmail should point their web browsers at:

    http://openwebmail.org/openwebmail/

    And don't forget to look at the screenshots!

    _______________________________
    Gregg L. DesElms
     
  17. pats

    pats Well-Known Member

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    nick ... pls..

    totally agree with deselms...

    pls remove the Ubimieu link... causing more pain than help.. as takes time for responding to user reactions....
     
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    rpmws Well-Known Member

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    I am sold as well. I get a few complaints about NeoMail but that new one ..OH GOD! ... needs to strike it out of there. this new deal looks like the way to go.
     
  19. tn3

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    What about IMP by Horde (www.horde.org)? An excellent package, I've been using it for last 18 months, and from end user point of view, it's pretty good! It uses mySQL for user database (addressbook, etc...)
     
  20. bert

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    [quote:0d31b421e1][i:0d31b421e1]Originally posted by dzevad[/i:0d31b421e1]

    Then in order to get back cpanel on that domain I have to reboot my server (not httpd but whole server). [/quote:0d31b421e1]

    Dzevad, you don't really need to reboot the server, you can restart cpanel services:

    /etc/rc.d/init.d/cpanel3 restart

    That should fix the problem :)

    I agree with everyone. Ub**au* (don't even know how to write it) sucks, big time and it creates confusion. :p
     
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