I've found over the years that spamhaus and other Anti-spam software is GOOD, but seriously needs more work done.
I'm asking the community of cPanel users, as well as other users of linux systems to come together and address a singular problem that has not only come to my attention, but many others.
I've found that Spamhaus and others of it's like are not handled correctly.
In the past, I've seen a single client of mine, put my server on a blacklist(correctly). and was happy to get the client off, and apply additional measures dictated by the anti-spam company in place(notice I said dictated and NOT requested, or reasonably asserted). Then I replied back, and sometimes I'd get delisted, other times I'd get absolutely NO RESPONSE. I was then forced to change server ips.
At other times, I've found my server blocked due to another system entirely(being on the same network), and the whole range was blocked. And that time, I had to change hosts.
There has also been evidence of "Lack of response" is enough to keep you(or your range), blocked, despite that being on their list prevents your mail from reaching them or they just ignore it, and the spammer has been suspended/terminated.
They've also used the keeping you on their list in order to force you to provide customer information to them, such as the name of the individual who owns the account that was spamming(a contention I have yet to comply with).
I find that they abuse their position they've created and find their behavior absolutely destructive to business'
From a HOSTS point of view, not a spammer.
I AM 100% AGAINST SPAM, and want it removed from the world entirely. but when the cops become as bad as the criminals, someone needs to step in.
I would like to ask the community at large to 1, help me and/or others to create a spam database FAR better than spamhaus. I also ask that once this system is created, please stop using spamhaus, and remove it from cPanel and other control panels.
We need to stand up to these guys, it's horrible.
Other article(Not written by me, and is 3 years old, and I'm experiencing this same problem now):
SpamHaus – Irresponsible Net Citizens
Please also check out their Legal section:
The Spamhaus Project - Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
What? So I have no legal action to take against them.... legitimately, but due to their size, they are as powerful as Google, for example when google lists your site as malware... and I have no issues with Google whatsoever. Their listing is intelligently done, and removal is proceduralized and easily complied with as well as continual verification that their listing is accurate.
SpamHaus can I get my money back for the lost of data since you wont remove me?
The Spamhaus Project - Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Last Section on their Legal Question:
Security for Costs
Due to the well-known untrustworthy nature of spammers, where a non-UK resident entity attempts to bring a lawsuit against Spamhaus in the UK, Spamhaus will in every case invoke the UK's Security for Costs law requiring the plaintiff to pay in full, in advance and before any legal case can commence, Spamhaus' entire legal cost estimate of defending the case, as a bond to prevent the plaintiff from skipping the country on losing the case without paying Spamhaus' legal costs in full.
Spammers should be advised that frivolous US-style SLAPP suits, filed in the hope of harassing one's opponent, are not possible in the UK.
The Internet is huge, and since there is absolutely no recourse that we can take legally, we should boycott and work hard to say, I'm not accepting this, and will work to fight this.
I would also like to suggest that a 3rd party investigates and maintains a list of Good working RBL's that are found to be operating with the standards set by the community.
I'd like your feedback on this.
Thank you,
Greg Borbonus
Please contact me at: gregborbonus [at] gmail [dot] com
Facebook: /http://facebook.com/rbl.standards
I'm asking the community of cPanel users, as well as other users of linux systems to come together and address a singular problem that has not only come to my attention, but many others.
I've found that Spamhaus and others of it's like are not handled correctly.
In the past, I've seen a single client of mine, put my server on a blacklist(correctly). and was happy to get the client off, and apply additional measures dictated by the anti-spam company in place(notice I said dictated and NOT requested, or reasonably asserted). Then I replied back, and sometimes I'd get delisted, other times I'd get absolutely NO RESPONSE. I was then forced to change server ips.
At other times, I've found my server blocked due to another system entirely(being on the same network), and the whole range was blocked. And that time, I had to change hosts.
There has also been evidence of "Lack of response" is enough to keep you(or your range), blocked, despite that being on their list prevents your mail from reaching them or they just ignore it, and the spammer has been suspended/terminated.
They've also used the keeping you on their list in order to force you to provide customer information to them, such as the name of the individual who owns the account that was spamming(a contention I have yet to comply with).
I find that they abuse their position they've created and find their behavior absolutely destructive to business'
From a HOSTS point of view, not a spammer.
I AM 100% AGAINST SPAM, and want it removed from the world entirely. but when the cops become as bad as the criminals, someone needs to step in.
I would like to ask the community at large to 1, help me and/or others to create a spam database FAR better than spamhaus. I also ask that once this system is created, please stop using spamhaus, and remove it from cPanel and other control panels.
We need to stand up to these guys, it's horrible.
Other article(Not written by me, and is 3 years old, and I'm experiencing this same problem now):
SpamHaus – Irresponsible Net Citizens
Please also check out their Legal section:
The Spamhaus Project - Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
What? So I have no legal action to take against them.... legitimately, but due to their size, they are as powerful as Google, for example when google lists your site as malware... and I have no issues with Google whatsoever. Their listing is intelligently done, and removal is proceduralized and easily complied with as well as continual verification that their listing is accurate.
SpamHaus can I get my money back for the lost of data since you wont remove me?
The Spamhaus Project - Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
Last Section on their Legal Question:
Security for Costs
Due to the well-known untrustworthy nature of spammers, where a non-UK resident entity attempts to bring a lawsuit against Spamhaus in the UK, Spamhaus will in every case invoke the UK's Security for Costs law requiring the plaintiff to pay in full, in advance and before any legal case can commence, Spamhaus' entire legal cost estimate of defending the case, as a bond to prevent the plaintiff from skipping the country on losing the case without paying Spamhaus' legal costs in full.
Spammers should be advised that frivolous US-style SLAPP suits, filed in the hope of harassing one's opponent, are not possible in the UK.
The Internet is huge, and since there is absolutely no recourse that we can take legally, we should boycott and work hard to say, I'm not accepting this, and will work to fight this.
I would also like to suggest that a 3rd party investigates and maintains a list of Good working RBL's that are found to be operating with the standards set by the community.
I'd like your feedback on this.
Thank you,
Greg Borbonus
Please contact me at: gregborbonus [at] gmail [dot] com
Facebook: /http://facebook.com/rbl.standards
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