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Stopping Updates

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by bert, Mar 30, 2002.

  1. bert

    bert Well-Known Member

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    Can someone please let me know how to stop the automatic cpanel updates? Every update screws somthing up and there are new features almost every other day. Our users do not like change! Once they get used to something, it changes !

    I deleted the /scripts/upcp entry in the crontab, but I realized that after doing this webalizer no loger updates. Is there a solution for this?


    Thank you.
     
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    you wil lbe missing out on bug fixes.

    Here is what I do.

    I took the default theme and cut out several features I do not want people to have.. I then made that theme a special name. I then put that theme on all my packages. Nothing really changes on them. Only bug fixes in WHM and things they don't see. :)
     
  3. bert

    bert Well-Known Member

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    Thank you rpmws, but I have done that, I have a custom theme with the features I think are not buggy, but still new features are implemented almost every other day and most of those features, such as spamassassin and others mess up the servers, permissions get changed on their own, webmail changes, etc, etc... I don't care at this point any more about bug fixes, after all, I have had to fix most of the bugs myself. I just want a stable product and since I can't get that with daily updates, I want Cpanel the way it is now on my servers, at least I have been able to isolate most bugs. Cpanel was beginning to be a very stable product towards the end of last year, but after all the recent updates/upgrades I have been having hundreds of problems :-(

    If someone can tell me how to disable this daily auto update I would really appreciate it. I don't mind paying a monthly fee for a license, but I just want all my servers to stay the way they are.

    Thank you.
     
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    You can do it in WHM=& Change Update Preferences.
     
  5. bert

    bert Well-Known Member

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    I have tried that and it does not work, updates still come in every day.

    Anyone else?
     
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    gemby Well-Known Member
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    Yes, same with me, you cold not stop the updates, i would like to have control over my server every now and then :)))
     
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    Disable any upcp shite in your root crontab
    You may have stuff along those lines buried in there.
     
  8. bert

    bert Well-Known Member

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    [quote:9529b6beff][i:9529b6beff]Originally posted by feanor[/i:9529b6beff]


    Disable any upcp shite in your root crontab
    You may have stuff along those lines buried in there.
    [/quote:9529b6beff]

    Thanks feanor, I have done that and it works, however webalizer stops updating when I remove the Cpanel updates. Is there a way to keep webalizer updating withour having to update cpanel?
     
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    I SERIOUSLY suggest that the Cpanel guys take this thread into consideration. I think there are MANY MANY people using cpanel that would agree on this. There should be like 1-2 updates per month, if that. I am so paranoid about all of these new features these days, I don't even think about using any of them untill I search these forums on it. And then, on more than one occasion, I have found out that it doesn't work / causes major problems if you use it.

    PLEASE, for the sake of the stability of this product, re-think your development / bug testing strategies. We don't need feature updates every day.

    The most important thing is that the servers are stable. I'm not saying that that is an easy task, but it is essential for every person using your product. Hell, I'd even pay twice as much per liscence if you guys could insure this would happen.

    Please take this into consideration.
     
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    [quote:ff6ec578e8][i:ff6ec578e8]Originally posted by mpope2[/i:ff6ec578e8]

    The most important thing is that the servers are stable. I'm not saying that that is an easy task, but it is essential for every person using your product. Hell, I'd even pay twice as much per license if you guys could insure this would happen. [/quote:ff6ec578e8]

    I could not agree more with this. I am also willing to pay even more if I could get a stable product and as I said above, CPanel was beginning to be very stable until the updates started to come in. I do like the updates, but I prefer stability and I have experienced the fact that these updates bring instability to the product.

    With every update the process killer feature gets screwed up. It was working fine a week ago and after an update two days ago or so it just got screwed up again, I now have to keep updating to see if with one of those updates it gets fixed again. I get my crontab screwed up as well among other things including the fact that webmail interfaces get changed back and forward three times in less than two months.

    Please provide us with the ability to control these updates. Real control, not just a checkbox or radio button that does not work. I have said it many times and will say it again: I do like CPanel very, very much and I truly believe it is the best control panel software available, but it needs to be more stable.
     
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    Devils Advocate

    While I agree, you should have the options to turn off automatic updates to cpanel without killing your webilizer logs. Let me simply make one point.

    If you don't add new features, some people with be upset.
    If you add new features, some people will be upset.

    You can never make everyone trully happy. Let me also point out that by disabling automatic updates, you are locking yourself (in alot of ways) to the cpanel as it is today. While that may look good to your right now, later on down the line, when something you want gets added, you may want to update, and if you try to jump 50-60 builds at once, you may run into some serious problems. Just my 2 cents...
     
  12. bert

    bert Well-Known Member

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    Some of the reasons why I don't need these updates:

    1. We get a forum that has huge security holes:
    http://support.cpanel.net/obb/read.php?TID=2377

    2. We get this notice today on WHM:
    Openwebmail Removed Openwebmail has been removed until all problems can be resolved with it. Neomail is back to the default web mail client. (4.7.0 build 32 or later only)

    #2 is bad. How can a customer be satisfied with a host if features are changed back and forward like this. :-(

    Come one guys. Just one tip on how to keep Webalizer working while removing the auto updates ;)
     
  13. Elena

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    Not sure if it will work, but I thought about this last night when troubleshooting my own webalizer issues. I also have the upcp update taken out of my cron, btw. So, here is something you can try... add in a cron to run /scripts/runweblogs each night.
     
  14. bert

    bert Well-Known Member

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    Hello Elena and thanks, but when trying to run /scripts/runweblogs I get prompted for a user, is there a specific command to type for all users? What syntax for the command do you have on your cron?
     
  15. bdraco

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    Here is a list of things that will break if you take upcp out of crontab:

    Secuirty Updates
    General Package updates.
    Kernel Check
    Ip Check
    Hacker Check
    Oops Check
    Background Process Killer
    New Email CGI Upload Scanner
    Auto-Repair of Frontpage
    Auto-Fix of bad permissions with suexec
    Backup
     
  16. bdraco

    bdraco Guest

    If you wish to disable updates of cpanel, just change Cpanel Updates to 'Manual Updates Only' in WHM. Leave everything else alone..
     
  17. bdraco

    bdraco Guest

    [quote:1fb7e21aed][i:1fb7e21aed]Originally posted by bert[/i:1fb7e21aed]

    I have tried that and it does not work, updates still come in every day.

    Anyone else?[/quote:1fb7e21aed]

    Runs /scripts/updatenow to make sure you have the latest version of upcp
     
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    bert Well-Known Member

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    Thank you Nick, however is there a command/script that would run the logs for all users at the same time?
     
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    That's /scripts/runlogsnow as far as I've seen.
    keep in mind your CPU will go through the roof if you have sites with fairly large domlogs.


    FUN.
     
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    [quote:bf121d9e01][i:bf121d9e01]Originally posted by bdraco[/i:bf121d9e01]

    If you wish to disable updates of cpanel, just change Cpanel Updates to 'Manual Updates Only' in WHM. Leave everything else alone..[/quote:bf121d9e01]

    Personally I don't want to disable Cpanel updates, but I do want the option to turn a lot of features off, I want control over the server, I want control over what is run on the server, and control of when those programs are run.

    I would like to see a general preferences page inside the WHM where we can enable or disable new features. If a new feature is added to the system in should be turned OFF by default, then if we want to use the new feature we can just enable it. If it then screws things up we can then disable it, or disable it permanently if we don't require the feature.

    Here is a quick list of the things I don't need.

    I don't need to run logging programs,
    I don't need cpu,memory,mysql usage history,
    I don't need the apache status turned on,
    I don't need the new process manager (I was happy with the old one)
    I don't need email stats or to manage the email queue,
    I don't want a new web mail system, I rarely use neomail.

    I want and need my server to run as fast, and as stable as possible, so control over the system is essential. All the new features are great and can be useful at times, but I don't need or want them switched on all the time.

    I will just repeat this bit in case you missed it

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    I want control over the server, I want control over what is run on the server, and control of when those programs are run.

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    Pete
     
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