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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Domenico, Feb 6, 2002.

  1. Domenico

    Domenico Well-Known Member

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    Since when do you delete postings?

    Can't I talk about concurrent control panels like http://www.hostgui.com ???

    I was telling that it kicks ass and looks superb!
    DarkOrb better watch out for the competition to come...

    I'm a cpanel/whm user and I wanted to know when we get a SKIN that looks good? Get one from the contest and many of us are satisfied. Or don't you want to pay the designers?

    Man, I can't stand people deleting my postings!!!
    Does this mean I can't be critical about Cpanel here?

    What a forum would that be?
     
  2. ace

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    mmm, why would you think you could promote a competitors product on this forum? Besides, I'm sure these guys are aware of hostgui by now. ;)
     
  3. Pete

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    I don't see anything &special& about hostgui - except it is a pretty nice interface. Only thing they have that is not in cpanel is the perldiver and phpinfo stuff and I'm sure that will get implimented in cpanel pretty soon...
    With Nick working overtime lately to bring us some great new features I think cpanel will remain well ahead of any competition..
     
  4. bdraco

    bdraco Guest

    [quote:a8f6c5f258][i:a8f6c5f258]Originally posted by Pete[/i:a8f6c5f258]

    I don't see anything &special& about hostgui - except it is a pretty nice interface. Only thing they have that is not in cpanel is the perldiver and phpinfo stuff and I'm sure that will get implimented in cpanel pretty soon...
    With Nick working overtime lately to bring us some great new features I think cpanel will remain well ahead of any competition..[/quote:a8f6c5f258]


    Unless Hostgui has bad a deal with scriptsuite they are breaking the law.

    By downloading and installing Perl Diver v1.1, you agree not to sell, modify or redistribute the source code.

    Perl Diver has not been included for this reason.. However it would be sooooooo easy to write a clean room version of this .. nobody has asked for it though..
     
  5. snowgod

    snowgod Well-Known Member

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    Up and coming products

    I've been around this industry for awhile. I've been around cpanel since the very beginning.

    Let me tell you, any new product that comes out onto the hosting automation market will have quite a shock when it is released into the general population. Bugs will happen, upgrades will be needed, and features will be requested. This is how software is developed.

    What makes cpanel different? Two things; the developer, and the community. The cpanel community is a very tight knit core group of people. I have known Nick for a long time, and I can tell you, I have watched cpanel spring up from its earliest stages and I think what Nick has accomplished is very impressive.

    It is very easy to complain about what other products have and cpanel doesn’t. You can |3itch all day about that feature you would like to see or that skin you don't like, but in all the time I have known Nick, I have never known him to turn his back on a good idea as it relates to cpanel. If you want to see something that is not there, submit a feature request, if you want a different skin, upload one.

    If you want to sit back and complain, that is your business, I am not going to tell you how to live your life. If you want to see anything change, try changing your complaint into a bug report, or a feature suggestion.

    That’s my 2 cents. Take it for what it is worth.
     
  6. Pete

    Pete Well-Known Member

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    I hereby request a &clean room& version of Perl Diver be included in cpanel
    ;) ;)

    And as per Nick's request I'll write the same in the request for features area..
     
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    [quote:19f605faed][i:19f605faed]Originally posted by snowgod[/i:19f605faed]

    Let me tell you, any new product that comes out onto the hosting automation market will have quite a shock when it is released into the general population. Bugs will happen, upgrades will be needed, and features will be requested. This is how software is developed.
    [/quote:19f605faed]

    You hit the nail on the head. I've read all of the false promises floating around how xx will be less buggy than yy - and the bottom line is no developer can make such statements until the product is out on the market, and in use in a reasonable amount of diverse environments... Any dev claiming otherwise is in for a disappointment, as are his users.

    Another misconception is that cp's are designed to replace sysadmins, when in the real world they are [b:19f605faed]all[/b:19f605faed] designed to make a sysadmin's life easier. In my opinion, if you would consider yourself lost without a gui, you probably shouldn't be operating a server. :)
     
  8. Domenico

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    I guess you all miss my point here but that is because you missed the original post.

    Don't say that if I want another skin that I should make one myself because that's just plain stupid.

    There was a skin contest and all the skins seen there were way better than the one that comes with the package.

    All I and MANY others want to know is were they are and why they don't get implemented?
     
  9. ace

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    I for one got your point, but my point was simply that you could of offered your input as it relates to skins without promoting another product? :)
     
  10. snowgod

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    Actually.

    Did you design your own website?

    If you did, than a theme should be no great streach.
    If you did not, than do what you did the first time and hire some other company to do it.

    I'm not saying you have to, but I'm saying that the functionality is there, waiting to be used.

    I'm simply stating you could provide your feedback in a much more constructive manner, you might like the results better.
     
  11. Domenico

    Domenico Well-Known Member

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    Since when is talking about a product the same as promoting a product?

    So I can't post my opinion about another product on this forum?
    I can't say that I like the look of hostgui very much?
    Come on, are we grown ups here or what?

    Well, I know that some are not actually :p
     
  12. moronhead

    moronhead Well-Known Member

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    As an ardent supporter of Cpanel/WHM I want to take up on the points made by two contributors:
    [quote:39e89330a8][i:39e89330a8]Posted by ace[/i:39e89330a8]

    Another misconception is that cp's are designed to replace sysadmins, when in the real world they are all designed to make a sysadmin's life easier. In my opinion, if you would consider yourself lost without a gui, you probably shouldn't be operating a server.[/quote:39e89330a8]
    I am not sure whether you actually use Cpanel/WHM, but it is more than a GUI. For the benefit of new members to this forum, Cpanel/WHM isn't just a GUI, but a complete server and end-user management package that installs and updates lots of applications on your server for you (MySQL, PHP, JSP, Apache, FrontPage extensions, ApacheASP, PhpMyAdmin etc.), enables you to set up hosting accounts and install pre-defined files and scripts in your customer's web space instantly, gets a user to set up mailboxes and email forwarding in real time with no pain and many other functions that I don't have the time to quote. It can be used even by a newbie host with ease.

    [quote:39e89330a8][i:39e89330a8]Posted by snowgod[/i:39e89330a8]

    If you did, than a theme should be no great streach.
    If you did not, than do what you did the first time and hire some other company to do it.

    I'm not saying you have to, but I'm saying that the functionality is there, waiting to be used. [/quote:39e89330a8]
    This brings me to the subject of support for Cpanel/WHM. I do believe that Cpanel/WHM is a great product but at present is more geared for large hosts like yourselves (I think you are site5.com aren't you?) who pour resources into personalizing and expanding the core functions found in Cpanel/WHM and then offer it to your shared hosting customers as Netadmin, to colo'ed and dedicated customers as Server Admin and present it as your proprietory CP, which actually isn't! You are creating Jscript (a Microsoft trick) which takes its core from JavaScript!

    So is the same with hostrocket and others. However, none of your resources or efforts benefit us, the smaller hosts. All the improvements always have to come from Nick. So it may be time now for you, the large distributors who have the most to gain from Nick's work, to contribute to the further development of Cpanel/WHM core and fast.

    Your loyalty to Cpanel/WHM as a distibutor is probably there because you get it at a much lower price than we do. Yet you still come to this forum and get free support for your own customers. I think it may be time for you guys, the distributors, to pool your resources (and open your purses for once ;) ) and make Cpanel/WHM what it was set up for... the best server CP on the market.

    I hope I haven't bored you!
     
  13. ace

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    [quote:eefefc6143][i:eefefc6143]Originally posted by moronhead[/i:eefefc6143]

    I am not sure whether you actually use Cpanel/WHM, but it is more than a GUI. For the benefit of new members to this forum, Cpanel/WHM isn't just a GUI, but a complete server and end-user management package that installs and updates lots of applications on your server for you (MySQL, PHP, JSP, Apache, FrontPage extensions, ApacheASP, PhpMyAdmin etc.), enables you to set up hosting accounts and install pre-defined files and scripts in your customer's web space instantly, gets a user to set up mailboxes and email forwarding in real time with no pain and many other functions that I don't have the time to quote. It can be used even by a newbie host with ease.[/quote:eefefc6143]
    I wasn't just referring to Cpanel/WHM. As I said, cp's are designed to make a sysadmin's life easier (as well as the user's) they are not to replace a sysadmin, nor are they to compensate for a lack of experience for a &newbie host.& So, when I said &lost without a GUI& I meant that anyone running a hosting business should have a basic knowledge of Linux. What if one of your customers requests a php module? What if Apache fails? What if one of your customer's mysql databases becomes corrupted? Is a newbie host going to simply say &Sorry, I don't see an option in WHM to fix this, you're out of luck& ;)

    Again, if you don't possess a basic knowledge of the inner workings of Linux, apache, bind, etc. you should be a reseller, not a webhost.

    Just my .02 :)
     
  14. snowgod

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    [quote:1b6b562660][i:1b6b562660]Originally posted by moronhead[/i:1b6b562660]

    This brings me to the subject of support for Cpanel/WHM. I do believe that Cpanel/WHM is a great product but at present is more geared for large hosts like yourselves (I think you are site5.com aren't you?) who pour resources into personalizing and expanding the core functions found in Cpanel/WHM and then offer it to your shared hosting customers as Netadmin, to colo'ed and dedicated customers as Server Admin and present it as your proprietory CP, which actually isn't! You are creating Jscript (a Microsoft trick) which takes its core from JavaScript!

    So is the same with hostrocket and others. However, none of your resources or efforts benefit us, the smaller hosts. All the improvements always have to come from Nick. So it may be time now for you, the large distributors who have the most to gain from Nick's work, to contribute to the further development of Cpanel/WHM core and fast.

    Your loyalty to Cpanel/WHM as a distibutor is probably there because you get it at a much lower price than we do. Yet you still come to this forum and get free support for your own customers. I think it may be time for you guys, the distributors, to pool your resources (and open your purses for once ;) ) and make Cpanel/WHM what it was set up for... the best server CP on the market.
    [/quote:1b6b562660]

    OK, let me start out by saying I'm not site5.com (they are my employer, but these opinions have nothing to do with my statements here). My experience with cpanel goes MUCH MUCH MUCH deeper than my current job. I have been around cpanel longer than almost anyone else.

    So far as site5's application of cpanel goes. Cpanel is installed standard on all of our dedicated servers. No changes or modifications, stock cpanel. We make no claims about it being anything else (actually, several of our clients are quite active on this board, and I'm sure will tell you, we do not bill it as &our product&). The SMI product you are referring to is a seperate application that performs and seperate task (and does not even run on the servers, it runs at the network level)

    NetAdmin is another indepth issue in itself, which I am not going into. Suffice it to say, NetAdmin is much more than a cpanel skin, and while I can see your point from the surface, let me just say NetAdmin takes full advantage of the cpanel API. It has it's own, unique reseller support, and is full integerated with our &in-house& billing solutions. No one is not giving Nick the credit he deserves, Nick has been aware of, and supportive of, NetAdmin since the first day Site5 started it (longer before I worked there). If Nick didn't want cpanel to have the ability to be &branded&, he could very easily prevent that. So far as contributing to cpanel, I have sent in 3 different patches/fixes in the past 2 weeks, and on of the guys at Site5 is on the development team at DarkOrb. Site5 as a whole is making alot of contribution to the cpanel development.

    Again, let me stress that there views are my own, from my own experience, and don't be so quick to brand me site5.com :P I am my own person, and I don't run my posts past managment first ;).
     
  15. snowgod

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    Cpanel for dedicated server @ Site5

    cpanel is referred to, by name, on Site5's dedicated servers webpage
    http://www.site5.com/dedicated/software.html
     
  16. moronhead

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    [quote:1368cf2e56][i:1368cf2e56]Originally posted by ace[/i:1368cf2e56]

    [quote:1368cf2e56][i:1368cf2e56]Originally posted by moronhead[/i:1368cf2e56]

    I am not sure whether you actually use Cpanel/WHM, but it is more than a GUI. For the benefit of new members to this forum, Cpanel/WHM isn't just a GUI, but a complete server and end-user management package that installs and updates lots of applications on your server for you (MySQL, PHP, JSP, Apache, FrontPage extensions, ApacheASP, PhpMyAdmin etc.), enables you to set up hosting accounts and install pre-defined files and scripts in your customer's web space instantly, gets a user to set up mailboxes and email forwarding in real time with no pain and many other functions that I don't have the time to quote. It can be used even by a newbie host with ease.[/quote:1368cf2e56]
    I wasn't just referring to Cpanel/WHM. As I said, cp's are designed to make a sysadmin's life easier (as well as the user's) they are not to replace a sysadmin, nor are they to compensate for a lack of experience for a &newbie host.& So, when I said &lost without a GUI& I meant that anyone running a hosting business should have a basic knowledge of Linux. What if one of your customers requests a php module? What if Apache fails? What if one of your customer's mysql databases becomes corrupted? Is a newbie host going to simply say &Sorry, I don't see an option in WHM to fix this, you're out of luck& ;)

    Again, if you don't possess a basic knowledge of the inner workings of Linux, apache, bind, etc. you should be a reseller, not a webhost.

    Just my .02 :)[/quote:1368cf2e56]

    I partially agree with you. Cpanel/WHM needs some understanding of the events that are happening under the hood to be able to service the customer properly.

    Having said that, when I started life as a webhost with a Raq3 almost 2 years ago I hardly knew what linux meant or what it did. But Cobalt had these pdf manuals and knowledge base giving primers on dns, subdomains, apache web server, etc. I used to go over them day and night to learn what it all meant. I used to pester their tech support almost every day and bombard them with questions to fill in the gaps in the manuals. In a few months I felt confident enough to work in SSH and do changes directly to the config files. At about the same time I purchased a Mandrake Linux 6.5 CD and installed it on my windoz computer so I could learn even more. That CD came with 4 thick online books on using linux (about 3000 pages - I still read and learn from them). Now if there's a topic I need to know and can't find the answer anywhere, I use a search engine to get almost instant answers. When there's something I can contribute to, I do that without a flinch (as you will see that from this forum).

    So, you can start slowly and progress in small or big steps, that's up to you. But there should be nothing to stop you to venture into the unknown. ;)

    All Cpanel/WHM needs right now, to my humble opinion, is:

    A Billing and Customer Care module in WHM and Cpanel,
    A choice of 10 easily customizable, fast loading, functional, killer Cpanel themes (scrap the current default asap - why use a design created by someone who's deserted the ship?),
    A theme manager so the admin (and the reseller?) can take out or add features at will
    A knowledge base for server admins,
    A detailed how-to and why-to manual for admins, resellers and end-users,
    A help feature for admins, resellers and end-users (like a tool tip or similar for every single function available),
    More easily integratable CGI or PHP scripts in advanced tools,
    A Faq (this forum can be a great resource) for admins, resellers and end-users,
    Assembling the designers and writers to do all this stuff,
    More people in the development team? Probably not. Nick seems to be coping well, with new stuff coming out of his brains almost every day. :)

    I probably can think of a lot more but for time constraints.

    All of this would take Cpanel into the reach of the smaller hoster (1 to 10 servers) and not just the large distributor. I think this where the competition has seen a gap and is trying to aim at.
     
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    [quote:a9f459e3d2][i:a9f459e3d2]Originally posted by moronhead[/i:a9f459e3d2]
    This brings me to the subject of support for Cpanel/WHM. I do believe that Cpanel/WHM is a great product but at present is more geared for large hosts like yourselves (I think you are site5.com aren't you?) who pour resources into personalizing and expanding the core functions found in Cpanel/WHM and then offer it to your shared hosting customers as Netadmin, to colo'ed and dedicated customers as Server Admin and present it as your proprietory CP, which actually isn't! You are creating Jscript (a Microsoft trick) which takes its core from JavaScript!
    [/quote:a9f459e3d2]
    When the first version of NetAdmin was released, it had full reseller functionality. At that time, Cpanel had no reseller support whatsoever (in fact, there wasn't even a WHM yet!). We continue to maintain and develop our own reseller features even with the release of NetAdmin 2. You will notice quite a few items available in NetAdmin that are simply not possible with a standard Cpanel install.

    And of course, as snowgod mentioned, our SMI (Server Management Interface) is not a term that we use to describe Cpanel. It is--as you so eloquently put it--our &proprietory CP& for dedicated server and colocation customers, which was developed entirely in-house by Site5 employees. It doesn't, however, take the place of Cpanel. Nearly all servers that make use of the SMI system also run Cpanel/WHM or some other control panel system.

    I hope that clears up any remaining misconceptions you have.

    Matt
     
  18. moronhead

    moronhead Well-Known Member

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    I intend to continue with this discussion for the good of Cpanel/WHM and will reply over the weekend to Site5.com's feeble defence by its frontmen. Stay tuned... ;)
     
  19. bdraco

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    [quote:d92959c937][i:d92959c937]Originally posted by moronhead[/i:d92959c937]

    I intend to continue with this discussion for the good of Cpanel/WHM and will reply over the weekend to Site5.com's feeble defence by its frontmen. Stay tuned... ;)
    [/quote:d92959c937]


    I've always been quite happy with Site5, and feel that they have contributed more than most distributors (patchs, etc). Distributors are by no means required to do anything but pay their bill and keep their customers happy (most of them do that .. I've never had anyone email me a complaint about Site5 and I don't think I will). By keeping their customers happy they are doing more for Cpanel/WHM than some of the other distributors.

    moronhead: Please don't continue this thread, I really feel that its uncalled for. This really isn't going to help anyone, just create hard feelings.
     
  20. moronhead

    moronhead Well-Known Member

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    Nick: Point gracefully taken. Site5 happened to be on this thread and that's why I specifically replied to them.

    That's me over and done with it at your request. And thanks... I can now look forward to a peaceful weekend. :)
     
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