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Why is Urchin being installed with the latest cpins installa

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ozzi4648, Jan 10, 2003.

  1. ozzi4648

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    I just dont get this. An installation of Urchin in /usr/local/urchin4/ just takes unnecessary disk space and a piece of software I'm probably never going to use anyway. Why is Urchin being distributed with Cpanel anyway? Can you people concentrate of fixing the obvious first, the BUGS!!!!!!!

    There is no information on how to use Urchin, configure it or even start it, nothing. Its just placed on my drive as part of the latest cpins installation. Am I expected to go out and register this? It's certainly not free!!. No thanks. Can you let me decided what i need placed on my hard drive? Please give me whats needed for Cpanel but dont give me things you think i will use. Its a resource hog and if i need it i will install it myself thank you very much.

    What are they thinking? Can we get the bugs fixed instead of having to install more and more software on our servers?

    For eg, just another cpanel bug. When we delete a users site why are the domlog entires not removed from the server? Just another bug needing attention.

    When is the authentication problem using stunnel going to be fixed? Tired of this i really am!!!! When is the list of 21 i have supplied so many times even going to be addressed? The big 21 is the list of 21 nasties i have sent you on numerous occasions!!!

    Ridiculous!

    HELLO!
     
  2. MikeMc

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    By the way how much space took Urchin? I'm a bit worried because of space.

    Hope they create an option to dump it completely if we like(not just disable it but dump it, erase it, eliminate it). Hope they do the same for every external software they serve us from times to times (and it's not critical for the servers and cpanel functioning).

    And with the chance I'd like to request a cleanup for cpanel and related. I don't know but I have the impression that some useless things take space of my hd.
     
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    Does your server happen to be a RackShack server? Urchin is actually part of the image they use to set up all RackShack servers, not part of cPanel.
     
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    from the cpanel changelog

    Fri Jan 10 16:30:56 EST 2003
    5.x Build#8
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    urchin support

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    although is says 5.x I think it is actually for 6.x because layer2 has this
    Cpanel-6.0.0-BETA_8-Linux-i686-glibc-2.1.3-21.2mdk (Fri Jan 10 16:30:02 2003)

    since the release time is almost the same I would guess it is for 6

    so maybe they are not just installing it to use up your disk space ;)
     
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    Will urchin be an included feature or is it one we'll have to purchase? I'm widdling down clients to one statistics program right now. It's getting really hard to keep up with all these programs. I would REALLY REALLY REALLY (x infinity) love if cpanel would start making these things additional modules we could put in at our leisure separately instead of having to manually disable them and/or act as a storage unit for them. I think cpanel's getting a bit bulky at this point and should look into the module idea awhile before adding any further programs in.

    Just look how the requests are going now. Everyone wants different webmail programs, stats programs etc, but everyone sure as heck doesn't want to store the ones they aren't using. On top of that, we need some of these features like webmail on the regular ports instead of having to login twice such as with horde.
     
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    urchin is BY FAR the best stats program out there for resellers. Not that anyone cares, but if we're voting for whether urchin is in or out with cpanel, I would vote solidly "IN"

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    And who's going to pay for it? cPanel? Unless it is free they should NOT be putting anything on servers.

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    i can't believe you are whining about $20. You are getting a $700 piece of software, whose closest competition costs thousands (webtrends) for $20, because cpanel and your isp sweet-talked themselves into a deal---for you!

    How hard is it to 'rm -Rf urchin' if you need your precious disk space? Heck set up a script to rm everything you don't like and rerun it after a whm update.

    Sure, it would be great as a module, but I'd rather have it as a possibility for a measly $20, than not have it at all. I for one am grateful to have the $20 deal as I was getting ready to slap down $700 for the exact same thing.

    I'm all for modules, but I'm also for saving $680 on a piece of quality software.

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    And which ISP is that?

    It is also not just a matter of cost, it's a matter of taking up space for something we do not want on our servers. I could really care less about the money side that's not an issue. I myself prefer webtrends.

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  10. payne

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    ISP: Rackshack.

    Drive space can now be found for less than $1/GB. Even with RAID SCSI, your talking less than $5/GB. If that much cash is worth the fuss then you still have the option to manually delete it.

    All I am saying is, sure it would be great to have modularized options... or addons if you will, where you can pick your configuration. But short of that, it is better to have options than none. In my analysis, options (especially ones that save you $680) are more valuable than disk space.

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    Unfortunatly not everyone is (or wants to be) with rackshack.

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