after deeper investigation I noticed that it's not only a new theme.
Also if I continue to say that it's an orrible theme , and I think that a frame solution could be much better (with a javascript vertical tree menu) , on the other side I have seen
good improvments on features description and on some function.
Also the mysql section is much much better.
I like also how are handled now the errors ... with the "show detail" option.
Server Status page is still orrible.
Counter setup is still preistoric .. and much other work should be done on cgi library.
Regarding cronjob there should be more more control on whm . For example when a client enter a cron job it should be emailed to whm administrator,
and there should be something to set a limit on the number of cronjob entered.
These are only my suggestions.
Also if I continue to say that it's an orrible theme , and I think that a frame solution could be much better (with a javascript vertical tree menu) , on the other side I have seen
good improvments on features description and on some function.
Also the mysql section is much much better.
I like also how are handled now the errors ... with the "show detail" option.
Server Status page is still orrible.
Counter setup is still preistoric .. and much other work should be done on cgi library.
Regarding cronjob there should be more more control on whm . For example when a client enter a cron job it should be emailed to whm administrator,
and there should be something to set a limit on the number of cronjob entered.
These are only my suggestions.
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I'll point out a few in case you missed them:
Sortable columns for almost all lists (allows you to access info quicker).
Movable menus on the main screen (allows you to put the sections you use at the top to access quicker).
Integrated help for each section (informs your clients about features and cuts support tickets for easy questions).
Extended descriptions for features (see above)
DSA and RSA keys for SSH integrated into the interface (locks your server down).
Branding Packages (allows you to quickly upload images to brand your interface).
Addon and Subdomains can be created anywhere within the user's home dir (instead of only public_html)
Beyond that, there are a few more small features and a ton of backend work that cleaned up the code which will allow us to do more substantial changes in the future.
I think there is a lot of nit-picking going on here and this is a dramatic improvement and I look forward to the new version.
From an organizational standpoint, this is a breath of fresh air.
The icons do seem a bit "not" uniform as far as the graphical design goes...like they came from about 10 different places instead of one central designer/theme.
You know what would be nice? "Admin Mode" were you check and uncheck boxes associated with each icon to replace the unfriendly "feature manager." Or better than checkboxes, run with your drag and drop sortable lists and allow admins to place the icons in the tables the need. Order by table, rank.
Then throw in a WYSIWYG for your contextual help and we have a winner. Hah. I am a dreamer.
Nice job though so far
From an organizational standpoint, this is a breath of fresh air.
The icons do seem a bit "not" uniform as far as the graphical design goes...like they came from about 10 different places instead of one central designer/theme.
You know what would be nice? "Admin Mode" were you check and uncheck boxes associated with each icon to replace the unfriendly "feature manager." Or better than checkboxes, run with your drag and drop sortable lists and allow admins to place the icons in the tables the need. Order by table, rank.
Then throw in a WYSIWYG for your contextual help and we have a winner. Hah. I am a dreamer.
Nice job though so far
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Maybe you should hire Everaldo to do the icons.
http://www.everaldo.com/
or IconFactory?
http://iconfactory.com/
They can certainly do a better job on the icons.
http://www.everaldo.com/
or IconFactory?
http://iconfactory.com/
They can certainly do a better job on the icons.
Have to agree that a few people seem to be nitpicking and pushing their own design ideas. Everybody is different as to what makes good design. If people want to push their own design ideas then there is plenty of scope for them to design their own skin and make it available. Lets keep this thread on topic, it's about X3.
I think this is a big improvement and I'll be swapping from an outsourced skin to this one. The additional features Davedark mentioned are all really useful and will be loved by my clients.
Dave a couple of additional things i would like to see:
1) If the default mail account contains ":fail:" then the default mailbox is NOT listed in the email section. There must be very few hosting companies that use the default box anymore and having it listed just confuses people.
2) Lots of people use 800x600 lets have it fit properly on the screen instead of being a bit too long.
3) Make sure that everywhere people can delete something (mailbox, mysql user, mysql db etc) that they get an "are you really sure you want to delete xyz". Hosting clients are really dumb and it's a hassle to keep having to restore things people "accidentally" delete.
4) I don't see where clients enter/change their email address for notices. Shouldn't that be up on the "reveal all boxes" line? It seems to be fairly well hidden under "Preferences".
5) Would love to see cpaddons listed under "Software" rather than buried under "Scripts Library". None of my clients can ever find them. Rather than call them "add-on scripts" I think "advanced scripts" is a little more descriptive. Since they are fundamentally different from other scripts under scripts library I don't think they should be listed in that category.
I think this is a big improvement and I'll be swapping from an outsourced skin to this one. The additional features Davedark mentioned are all really useful and will be loved by my clients.
Dave a couple of additional things i would like to see:
1) If the default mail account contains ":fail:" then the default mailbox is NOT listed in the email section. There must be very few hosting companies that use the default box anymore and having it listed just confuses people.
2) Lots of people use 800x600 lets have it fit properly on the screen instead of being a bit too long.
3) Make sure that everywhere people can delete something (mailbox, mysql user, mysql db etc) that they get an "are you really sure you want to delete xyz". Hosting clients are really dumb and it's a hassle to keep having to restore things people "accidentally" delete.
4) I don't see where clients enter/change their email address for notices. Shouldn't that be up on the "reveal all boxes" line? It seems to be fairly well hidden under "Preferences".
5) Would love to see cpaddons listed under "Software" rather than buried under "Scripts Library". None of my clients can ever find them. Rather than call them "add-on scripts" I think "advanced scripts" is a little more descriptive. Since they are fundamentally different from other scripts under scripts library I don't think they should be listed in that category.
Hmm.. maybe a few years ago, but its very rare, I've run many sites and my statics show that only about 5% of my users use 800x600 - this is no longer a default setting for any brand computer.
I feel bad if your still running that sort of setting, I would advise you change it to the next greater one.
What if you host 10,000 sites? 5% becomes 500 users that have issues. Thats more people that have problems viewing the panel than most hosts have total customers.
I am going to give that one a big AMEN I have been waiting for the day the default address goes to 'Nix heaven. Since that wont likely happen I hope cpanel can retire it for us instead.
So I second that request.
Delete confirmation is also a good one, especially regarding the database manager. But an all around delete "confirmation" class is definitely a great idea.
And as to rs-freddo's comments on the Scripts Library, I agree some tuning can be done there.
For example in the "Cgi Center"
Advanced guestbook (and maybe the simple guestbook?)
does not belong in here. It is more like the scripts found in the scripts library.
On a side note in regards to another post, the mySQL thing I think is actually nice to break it up among a few pages like you did. However those should be main links right of the cpanel main page.
Mange Databases
Manage Users
Remote Access
PHP MyAdmin
And an "Advanced mode" which is like the original cPanel "all in one page" type deal.
Additionally, I propose a wizard for new database setup that walks the user through:
1) Creating a database
2) Creating users
3) adding the users to the database.
I think these would make the MySQL area a whole lot nicer in a future build. What we have in this demo is a nice start for certain.
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I have forums that have around that many users..
But on the point, people who use that resolution are people who don't even use the web that much, and it doesn't conflict them at all! My Mother and Father have a Windows 98 and they could care less if the page is bigger then the screen, simple because they do not use the computer much.
People who are using their computer alot are the ones like you and I.
Point is people using that resolutions don't even care much as they didn't care enough to change it, and if they didn't know how, they would figure it out by asking, but if they didn't do that, they didn't care, so why would it bother them that the screen doesn't fit?
I tried explaining that the best I could, lol
I agree with you that most people who are intimate with the control panel will have higher resolutions, and I have not even looked at it yet at 800x600 so I am not sure how big a problem it is, but the point is not every one who has a cPanel or a website care about those sort of things and perhaps it would annoy a handful of them so much they would figure something else out, like finding another host.
No sense in isolating a small handful of users if you don't need to.
No sense in isolating a small handful of users if you don't need to.
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Second the mysql wizard idea. If someone is going to create a database they are also going to have to create a user and give privledges - so it should be all in one, otherwise it's just confusing.
myusername you can turn off advanced guestbook from scripts library by unchecking it from feature lists. It's ALSO in cpaddons, so just make sure it's activated there. The same is true for Agora Cart.
I use the internet 14 hours a day and use 800x600 resolution on a 19 inch screen. I can't see the use of using any other resolution as it just makes all the text smaller and more difficult to read. As I use the PC for such long periods i can't see why i'd make my job more difficult. As you pointed out, no new screens use 800x600 as default - so maybe the lazy and newbie users are all the people that don't use 800x600.:D I checked on the internet and 17% use 800x600 and 60% use the next highest resolution, so I admit I am probably the odd one out.
myusername you can turn off advanced guestbook from scripts library by unchecking it from feature lists. It's ALSO in cpaddons, so just make sure it's activated there. The same is true for Agora Cart.
I use the internet 14 hours a day and use 800x600 resolution on a 19 inch screen. I can't see the use of using any other resolution as it just makes all the text smaller and more difficult to read. As I use the PC for such long periods i can't see why i'd make my job more difficult. As you pointed out, no new screens use 800x600 as default - so maybe the lazy and newbie users are all the people that don't use 800x600.:D I checked on the internet and 17% use 800x600 and 60% use the next highest resolution, so I admit I am probably the odd one out.
a little off-topic
Hi everyone,
since we're seing a brand new x3 theme for Cpanel 11, I'd like to know are you guys doing something for us hosting companies.
I'm talking about an option that HELM from webhostingautomation.com has - you can define an html template with account information which is sent to the clients e-mail address when the domain is set up. Since I agree with rs-freddo - some of the hosting clients are either really dumb or just had never seen a Control Panel before, I have to write an email for every domain I create, and every mail is the same, except for the domain name, username and password.
You could implement this in future WHM/CPanel builds? It doesn't have to be fancy for startes, just an option that will automatically send: "Hi dear customer, your username is this, password that and you can login at http://domains.com/cpanel" is fine.
Hi everyone,
since we're seing a brand new x3 theme for Cpanel 11, I'd like to know are you guys doing something for us hosting companies.
I'm talking about an option that HELM from webhostingautomation.com has - you can define an html template with account information which is sent to the clients e-mail address when the domain is set up. Since I agree with rs-freddo - some of the hosting clients are either really dumb or just had never seen a Control Panel before, I have to write an email for every domain I create, and every mail is the same, except for the domain name, username and password.
You could implement this in future WHM/CPanel builds? It doesn't have to be fancy for startes, just an option that will automatically send: "Hi dear customer, your username is this, password that and you can login at http://domains.com/cpanel" is fine.
That is more of a feature request which can be submitted at bugzilla. its more related to a billing system issue as far as the welcome letter goes, but it might be useful to see it in WHMHi everyone,
since we're seing a brand new x3 theme for Cpanel 11, I'd like to know are you guys doing something for us hosting companies.
I'm talking about an option that HELM from webhostingautomation.com has - you can define an html template with account information which is sent to the clients e-mail address when the domain is set up. Since I agree with rs-freddo - some of the hosting clients are either really dumb or just had never seen a Control Panel before, I have to write an email for every domain I create, and every mail is the same, except for the domain name, username and password.
You could implement this in future WHM/CPanel builds? It doesn't have to be fancy for startes, just an option that will automatically send: "Hi dear customer, your username is this, password that and you can login at http://domains.com/cpanel" is fine.
Very nice. If cPanel would use something like that, it'd be a hell of a lot better
Not all true. Some people use that resolution due to poor eyesight, accessibility, etc. The point is, that it is not that hard to design so that it does not stretch an 800x600 screen, so why not do it just to eliminate complaints from that small 5%.
One thing that I want to stress is that we're not going to put out X3 and walk away. Everyone seems quite worried about getting every tiny feature into the first release but don't be. Features that are requested through bugzilla and have merit will be discussed and implemented if they are seen as a benefit.
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