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XSkin Grammatical Errors

Discussion in 'User Experience' started by jroussel, Aug 8, 2003.

  1. jroussel

    jroussel Member

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    It really is important to me, maybe not other people, that the control panel be 100% grammatically correct. Granted, there may be a few mistakes (we all make them), but some mistakes I have noticed (and forgotten) and have noticed them for versions to come. I do realize that cPanel has just recently acquired XSkin and it may take a while for some issues to be fixed. Some information regarding the "errors" are below.

    For example,

    Ftp Manager - FTP needs to be capitalized(File Transfer Protocol)
    FTP Manager would be correct

    Cgi Center - CGI also needs to be capitalized (Common Gateway Interface)
    CGI Center would be correct

    Web/Ftp Stats (Ftp once again)

    Some things are capitalized, some are not:

    HotLink Protection vs. Cron jobs

    Many people will probably think I'm just needlessly bitching, but I really think that the control panel is an aspect that reflects upon the hosting company and should be completely gramatically correct and more importantly uniform. I will admit, the professionality of cPanel has greatly improved (the website is a major improvement), but there is still a little more need of improvement in order to achieve full professionalism.

    I hope that the cPanel staff will consider making these changes and take my criticism as constructively as possible in light of making cPanel the best, most professional, most uniform application as possible.

    Thank you.

    Note: I'm not an English teacher, but I probably should be one, because things like this seem to get on my nerves. Too bad I hate reading Shakespeare, huh? Maybe I need a counselor so that my OCD doesn't get out of hand :-p. Thanks again.

    *edited to fulfill MySundown's correction*
     
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  2. jroussel

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    Let me know what you guys think, and feel free to post any other errors that you can find.

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  3. ciphervendor

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    I think that spelling/grammatical errors are the least of your worries if you're running a cPanel box ;) I would much rather have someone work on security & stability over English.

    Don't get me wrong, I agree with what you're saying. There are just a few issues slightly higher on the priority list at the moment.

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  4. Tox

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    But these kind of errors can be fixed in 5 minutes so why not do it? ;)

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    5 minutes, sure. Perhaps you haven't noticed the 420+ files for each skin.

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  6. jroussel

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    I wasn't saying URGENT, GRAMATICAL ERRORS MUST BE FIXED OR DEATH!! I was just saying that to increase the professionalism of the product, that would be somewhat of a priority. Yes, I agree, I'd rather have spelling errors than exploits and security issues, but I think if cPanel cared about the image of their product, they would attempt to fix them, that's all.

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    I agree. I think the professionalism is coming along in steps, first the new skins, next the new site. I'm sure spelling/grammatical errors will be fixed in due time. They are certainly a known issue.

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    Find and Replace can do it quickly even for many files (you can search in a Folder)

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    FTP isn't an acronym. In English grammar, acronyms are abbreviations that are pronounced as a word - such as NATO (nay-toh). FTP (ef-tee-pee) isn't an acronym. It's an abbreviation, more specifically an alphabetism or an initialism.

    Trust me, I come from a family of English teachers. :p Plus it was my favorite subject.

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  10. jroussel

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    I apologize. You're right, although you have no point. It's still correct to have FTP instead of Ftp. Thanks for your useless post in an attempt to correct me. I'll really take that to heart.

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    Neither of yuns knows what good grammar be.

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    Definition of acronym: A word formed from the initial letters of a multi-word name.

    Therefore:
    NATO is an acronym (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation)
    FTP is an acronym (File Transfer Protocol)

    Definition of abbreviation: Shortening something by omitting parts of it.

    Therefore:
    approx. is an abbrev.

    Maybe your family should take a refresher course in English? ;)

    No pun intended.
     
  13. jamesbond

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    Re: Re: XSkin Grammatical Errors

    Well it depends on the definitions you use ofcourse
    He is correct about FTP being an initialism.

    Many people will say FTP is not an acronym, because it's pronounced by spelling out the letters, and not pronounced as one word (read the definition you posted more carefully ;) )

    On the other hand you could consider an initialism to be an acronym subgroup.

    Oh by the way :

    ab·bre·vi·a·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-brv-shn)
    n.
    The act or product of shortening.
    A shortened form of a word or phrase used chiefly in writing to represent the complete form, such as Mass. for Massachusetts or USMC for United States Marine Corps.
     
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    An acronym is a word that's made up of the initial letters of multiple words and has no meaning on its own, regardless of how it is pronounced.

    That the word NATO happens to be pronounced as 1 word in English (although in 2 syllables) doesn't alter the fact that it is a made-up word just like FTP.

    I would agree that an acronym is a type of abbreviation.

    BTW (oops, I think I just used an acronym! Or is it a bird?;)) FTP has 24 different uses: http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?acronym=ftp
     
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  15. jamesbond

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: XSkin Grammatical Errors

    As I said it depends on the definitions you use. General dictionaries have GENERAL and simple but not always detailed definitions.

    According to the stricter definitions FTP is not an acronym.

    http://www.evolt.org/article/HTML_is_not_an_acronym/17/35750/

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    Re: Re: Re: XSkin Grammatical Errors

    Oh, isn't it? Damn!

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  17. jamesbond

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: XSkin Grammatical Errors

    Es todo diferente en español, Juanra :D

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  18. goodmove

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    I suppose we could indulge in the semantics of words forever... ;)

    To the writer of that article, I would ask him why is he typing the word HTML in caps if it is simply an abbreviation and not an acronym. An abbrev. doesn't have to be written in caps... unlike acronyms.
     
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    Grammatical and spelling errors will be fixed as the x themes are made language aware and the proper language files are modified. This will be a relatively slow process, but it will happen.

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  20. jroussel

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    Goodmove, the reason HTML is typed in all caps, much like FTP, SMTP, etc. is because it is combined of more than one word.

    Hyper Text Markup Language
    File Transfer Protocol
    Simple Mail Transfer Protocol

    I do believe that HTML is an acronym because of the fact that, even though it isn't pronounced as an acronym, it probably could be.

    Example: SCSI (scuh-zee) - this doesn't necessarily follow English patterns because there are three consonants next to each other, causing the pronunciation to be something similar to (s-k-s-ee or s-k-s-i), it was probably just made simpler to say the pronunciation most use today for it.

    So here's the question - is an acronym when the pronunciation is used or when the pronunciation is possible, or neither?

    The dictionary (via dictionary.com) defines an acronym as:
    A word formed from the initial letters of a name, such as WAC for Women's Army Corps, or by combining initial letters or parts of a series of words, such as radar for radio detecting and ranging.

    n : a word formed from the initial letters of a multi-word name

    So, with that definition I can pretty much conclude that FTP, CGI, HTML, etc. are in fact acronyms even if they are not pronounced as a word. The dictionary says nothing about pronunciation.

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